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The Insanity of Gay Christians

I was having a discussion yesterday with a gay Christian. He assured me that he was a liberal, progressive, person and that he too opposes the “misuse” of Christianity by politicians. The problem is that politicians aren’t “misusing” Christianity any more than he is.

Here again we have liberal Christians who claim the monopoly on the one true interpretation of the divinely inspired Bible. Unfortunately for these liberal Christians, the fundamentalist Christians still have the biblical high ground and even they interpret the Bible rather liberally. People forget that the Bible says that people shouldn’t work on Saturdays, should stone disobedient children, stone adulterers, non-Christians, Blasphemers, and gays. There is a lot of stoning. Jesus wants people to give away all their possessions, hate their family, and pluck their eyes out to avoid the sin of Lust. And those are just some of the highlights.

It makes no sense to me how any gay person can be a Christian when the Bible not only calls homosexuality an abomination, but then says that gays should be killed. Being a gay Christian seems a lot like being a Jewish Nazi or a Black member of the KKK to me. It just seems so insane. Now granted, being any kind of Christian is pretty insane, but to believe in a God and a Holy Book which endorses one’s own murder, it just over the top.

Now I know not all Christians believe that homosexuality is an “abomination,” but they do have to acknowledge that the source of their knowledge about the divine, claims that it is. If you reject that part of the “good book” why would you accept the parts of that same book which claim that there is an all-powerful deity? And let’s say one could “reason” an all-powerful deity without the Bible, there is no way one could “reason” the whole Jesus scheme without the Bible as one’s source.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/drew1962 Drew

    I agree with you. I’m gay, an ex christian, and 20yrs sober.
    It doesn’t make any sense to me what so ever for people to believe in something that tells them growing up and in life that they are to Hate themselves! I have a male, and female gay friends in my small town that are christians who are actual Bigots! She hates Obama (and others) because he’s black, and he sends me anti immigration stuff that are out right racist. Doesn’t makes any sense to me at all being a minority and wanting humane rights yet hating others for being different than you?!!

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      Oh, I feel horrible for your friends. They must be suffering badly. Being raised in a culture of hate and then finding that you are an object of hate for others…

      It’s like when you realized that the bully at school is being beaten or raped by his Daddy at home. You suddenly understand that they do onto others what has been (or perceived to have been) done onto them.

      Being raised in a hateful environment and then hating yourself as a result is a form of abuse, I think…. It’s logical to hypothesize that your friends feel abused in some way by the religious community they belong to, even if those people don’t know…it’s what they represent. Perhaps your friends are so hateful as an attempt to identify with their abusers, or solidify their position in their church, community…religion. Like gay men who are homophobic….

      Ugh, I’m just trying to makes sense of it myself…

  • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

    I’ve converted a lot of people to Atheism in just the few short years since I let myself believe openly what I’ve always suspected. The first person that I converted was a conservative Republican….closet bisexual. People who are in one way or another incompatible with the bible are easiest to reason with…unless they are one of those Christians that have some sugar coated delusion about their religion.

  • Kat

    Actually being HUMAN or having Human thoughts and feelings is considered an abomination in the bible.The bible was written by some really uptight, woman hating, and self hating Jewish Men.I don’t understand why anyone calls themselves Christians.

  • http://omegarapist.blogspot.com A. Friend

    Great post, I have always wondered myself how this could be. Surely they must understand that you can’t have it both ways. Either the bible is a godly inspired/written text or it is a pile of nonsensical garbage written by people with unpure motives.

    According to the christian faith, you must accept all of the bible, just as you must accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

  • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

    This is something I agree with you on.

  • Mr. X

    IDK…my personal belief, is that every sexual act that isn’t “me banging a hot chick”, is an abomination…but I don’t make a big thing of it…

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      Haha…too funny

      …Committing some abominations before the Hebrew god…sounds like fun…If I found women sexually appealing, I would be a homosexual just to piss people off…

      I might even visit a random church and kiss my honey just to have the gratification of seeing a bunch of uptight hateful people get all pissy…see them foaming at the mouth and quote some crazy scripture…LOL! Good times :)

  • Brian

    You’re assuming the “I believe because the Bible says it’s so” types.

    But you also have the “spiritual” types who feel an affinity for Jesus, want to follow him and see the Bible and church as flawed institutions.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Everything you know about Jesus comes from the Bible, so if you are claiming that the Bible is flawed (and I am not disagreeing with you on that) than by extension everything you know about Jesus is flawed too.

      • Brian

        If you assume the more recent documents are more accurate (New Testament) then you can live with the distinction since you can dismiss the OT as muddied by man and dismiss the few possible anti-gay statements in the NT as historically accurate but never attributed to Jesus.

        (This is not my position, just devil’s advocate).

  • key

    christianity is the biggest lie ever invented, those who hide behind its philosophies rape, abuse, lie, cheat, steal, kill, betray and perform unnatural acts then use the forgiving power of thier lord and savior to excuse thier behaviour are the most corrupting, perverse and immoral of human specimens to live on this this planet and now we have the perverted children of christianity raising thier filth from the murky waters namely atheism and paganism, but what they dont realise is they are under the control of the christianity for all respond to christianic influences and take part in those events as well.

  • http://www.markmeloy.blogspot.com Mark Meloy

    First, I am an athiest, after having been raised in an extremely religious home. The issue here is fundamentally wrong. “Christian” means follower of Christ, not the bible. Christ, putting aside the question of his existence, never mentions in any account homosexuality, and spends much time preaching for inclusion of everyone. It is both earlier, in the Old Testament, and later in the letters of Paul, that homosexuality is mentioned, and never as a quote of Jesus. Now , I don’t personally believe anything in the bible, Jesus, or any of that nonsense, however, if one is a “follower of Jesus,” based on the bible account, he or she would not be at odds with his teachings if they were gay.

  • BobM

    I always tell gay people or they would be very welcome in the atheist community, but they insist on clinging to Christianity often. They claim that the Bible doesn’t really condemn homosexuality – drawing a long bow as you say.

  • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

    Robin, I am being compassionate here. I don’t belief people are evil. I do have faith in them. Those Christians who are bigoted toward gays are bigoted toward gays because they are evil; they are bigoted because they believe in a bigoted and hateful Bible. Your support the gay community not because of the Bible, but in spite of it. There is not one positive word in the Bible toward gays. There are however quite a few really nasty one. The problem isn’t Christians, it is your holy book.

  • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

    In correct. Morals are not subjective! Please check out my Atheism 101 series. I talk about morality in multiple articles and address the particular question you brought up: http://www.skepticink.com/dangeroustalk/atheism101/

  • Amanda Rules

    I morally disagree with you. See I just proved you wrong.

  • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

    Um, no. You’re wrong and there is evidence for that. You can assert whatever claim you like, but just because you assert something doesn’t make it so. That is why people demand evidence for claims. Did you even bother to read the articles on morality that are in the Atheism 101 section?

  • Amanda Rules

    Um, no. You are wrong and there is evidence for that. You can say whatever you want, but just because you say it doesn’t make it so. That is why people demand evidence for claims. Did you even bother to read the scriptures on morality that are in the bible?