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In The Image of God

I never really understood the whole “image of God” thing Christians always talk about. I look in the mirror every day and I have to tell you that I really don’t think I look a thing like God. For starters, I can actually see myself.

That aside, does God have two legs, two arms, two eyes, a nose and a mouth too? Most Christians tell me no. But if I have all those things why doesn’t God. Speaking of body parts, one thing is clear. God definitely has a penis (nod to Sam Singleton). The Bible after all refers to God as a male and since the main distinguishing characteristic of males is in the genitalia, God must have a penis. That makes sense when you think about it, because he certainly must have a large set of balls to set up a system in which most people are tortured for all eternity and then to turn around and claim that he loves everyone. Shit like that takes balls.

That brings me to another question, if I shit and I was made in God’s image, does God shit too? Again, no Christian no matter how irrational he or she might be would claim that God shits. That very idea is probably blasphemous to most Christians. So what exactly does it mean to be made in the image of God?

Maybe it is not the physical characteristics of God that we are talking about, but rather the mental characteristics. Maybe God is like a role model or something. WWGD, “What Would God Do?” Well, I don’t really think that is it. After all, could you imagine a society in which everyone acted like God? As role models go, he isn’t exactly the best one. I mean God is such a jealous god, and angry too. He’s always going around and smiting people. He is after all the god of Wrath. So I don’t think we are made in his mental image. But I do still think it would be fun to go around with the WWGD attitude. But alas, I have morals and stuff.

Finally, we are left with the obvious answer. We are made in God’s spiritual image. What the fuck does that mean? I seriously would like to know. The word “spiritual” is so vague and meaningless. It basically is the term used by people who want to seem deeply religious without having to actually believe any of the nonsense.

Now I am sure some Christians are going to claim that it has to do with the soul and the eternal lifespan that it is alleged to have. But the reality is that it is really all about that second part. You know the eternal lifespan part. People are afraid to die and so they have created a being that is the “alpha and the omega” which is eternal and then declared that we were created by that being with that same eternal lifespan. So after all is said and argued, being created in God’s image really just means that people are afraid to die.


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  • http://www.myspace.com/itsahicke Her3tiK

    God may have a dick, but it’d have to be pretty small. Think about it; he raped Mary and couldn’t even take her virginity! Hell must be his way of compensating.

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      Finally, someone else that concludes that god is a rapist! I’ve been called disgusting and worse for pointing that out.

      If we entertain the idea of this story being true all we have to do is look at the facts. Mary was to be married, she was a virgin. This means Mary had to no more than 13 years old. Even if god asked for permission it would still be rape.

      If Christians argue that god didn’t physically touch her, sperm and all, we have to point out the fact that jesus was a man…that means X and Y chromosomes. Mary can only give an X. If it was truly a virgin birth the baby would be a perfect clone of Mary…not a man

      Of course this leads us to the god magic argument. But even so, did god ask Mary for permission and even if he did, she was a teenager, maybe even a preteen.

  • http://www.myspace.com/rothtalltales Tralf

    You bring up an age old philosophical question:

    If God farts while shitting in the woods and nobody hears it, does it make a sound, and how many bears decide to shit elsewhere?

    Randy

  • Mr. X

    “Marge, just about everything is a sin. Y’ever sat down and read this thing? Technically, we’re not supposed to go to the bathroom.” -Rev. Lovejoy, on The Bible

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      Strange, a professor of mine told us a story last quarter. It was about an old client of his. This young man had an extreme eating disorder because he believed we should only eat exactly what our bodies need to survive. The boy believed that shit and piss were signs of over eating, that we should never shit or piss at all, ever. Now, I’m wondering if the boy had read that very book…

  • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

    You are right, if they call their god HE and Him and God, he must have what it takes to have the designation. I wonder, if god has a penis, does he masturbate? I mean, according to him there are no other gods out there and if he has a penis his testicles must produce all the same chemicals human males do which means god must get urges…well, he does have the ability to clone himself sort of. He made jesus and jesus was supposed to be god…so maybe god fucks himself… I would love to see a book about the sexual identity of god.

    I don’t like the idea of WWGD. He’s an ass. Personally I say WWPD, What Would Picard Do? Far more applicable…and a much more moral fictitious character.

    The people I know who are “spiritual” just don’t like the idea of no heaven. So, they say they aren’t religious but they believe there is something out there and that if you are a good person you go to heaven when you die. This way that get all the immortality god offers and none of the crazy. If they are comfortable lying to themselves then this is a win-win for them… smart enough to realize gods are fake and religion is wrong but scared enough to hold on to heaven.

  • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

    Often times in scripture the author simply uses anthropomorphism when he is speaking of God because clearly it helps use relate to him. Currently in our physical state, we are not spiritual beings, and could never comprehend such a vastly different world until we have truly experienced it. It is like explaining the grand Canyon to a 2 year old.

    There are many many things that make us created in God’s image, scripture is very clear that we were the only beings God created in his image. We have many defining characteristics which other animals either do not have at all, or no where near our level.

    -We are not innocent. We act on learned decisions rather than natural instinct. We make choices which select between good and evil.
    -We have the ability to communicate with God.
    -We are given authority in His creation. Over what have we been given authority? (All other living creatures, as well as over all of the earth.)
    -We differ from all of the rest of creation in that we are also spiritual beings. It is in that likeness that scripture may refer.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Let’s explore this further.
      1. We act on learned decisions. So do animals. Don’t you remember Pavlov’s Dog? Good and evil is a construct of society.
      2. We have the ability to communicate with God? Prove it! Also, prove that dogs can’t.
      3. We are given authority in his creation. Really? So that means that I can just torture animals? I don’t think so. We are part of the food chain just like every other animal. If I can kill it, I can eat it. If it can kill me, it can eat me.
      4. We differ from all of the rest of creation in that we are also spiritual beings. Again, I ask, “What the hell does that mean?”
      So again I have to ask, “In what way are we created in God’s image?”
      FAIL!

    • Scott

      The word spiritual is a bullshiting word Christians use to argue nonsense but yet make them look smart to the unknowing.

      There is no good and evil. In your eyes, the non-Christians are evil. In the eyes of a Muslim, the Christians and Jews are evil. All we really are is grassland apes that hunted big game like mammoths and rhinos that other carnivores were not able to kill and then we managed to conquer every continent but Antarctica.

      After the mammoths and big game associated with them went extinct due to unsustainable hunting, natural selection favored intelligence and we invented bows so we could catch deer, bison, and other smaller animals whom were trickier to catch but sustainable. Depending on our biome we could progress into agriculture.

      We collected the largest fruits and grains and we end up with things like thornless apple trees with big apples and easy to harvest wheat and corn with really large crops. Animals that were best suited to being domesticated did get domesticated. Our grains storages got raided by vermin so we developed a relationship with the desert cat who cleaned them up who ended up evolving to exist us. Sheep had a habit of acting like sheep and herding together so they became the first farm animal and were easy to herd while gazelles can jump fences easily. The auroch, tarpan, and boar were domesticated into cattle, horses, and pigs.

      The development of social structure involved alot of ideas and the fear of death along with the unexplained flooding of the Persian gulf at the end of the ice age when water levels rose caused people to hypothesis many ideas. Those that humanized the ideas were the most listened to and became the standard. So we have a god that created us in his own image because we want to believe we are special. It’s a great delusion but when you step back and learn the real picture it becomes clear that:

      -We are not in fact sinners but just a very unique animal with a very unique way of living based on intelligence and that managed to conquer the world. Because we are intelligent based we have some instincts but we mostly learn everything through a very long childhood. There is no good and evil, it is all a construct of political and religious leaders to motivate people.

      -God is a product of our imagination that we can believe we talk to but we can also pray to a jug of milk and it will have the same exact affect as prayer.

      -We conquered the megafauna of times past and claimed the world as our own. We were not granted control of the world, we earned it naturally.

      -We are different due to our intelligence and our imagination that allows us to believe we are spiritual beings. Scriptures were made to reflect our imagination.

      So come to grip with the fact we are grassland apes. Biologically, there are five great apes: Pygmy Chimps, Chimps, Gorillas, Orangutan, and Humans. Why do we have lawns with scattered trees? That is our biome.

      Your beliefs do not account for the Pleistocene extinctions, animal and plant domestication, evolution, the big bang, due to the fact that most people lack the mental capacity to have a complex explanation for something.

      • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

        I love how you explained it all so thoroughly. Necessity is the mother of invention and evolution. We evolved to survive and we created religion for many reasons, one of them being to help us understand the world we live in.

        Religion was a temporary creation, a stepping stone from one way of thinking to another. It was never made to be a permanent part of human kind’s culture. It is no longer applicable and no longer necessary.

        Each religion was created with the current culture’s values in mind, what changes is our interpretation of the same literature. We can assume that most American Jesus worshipers don’t think females are any more inherently sinful than any other infant. But St. Paul and many other “saints” read the story of creation and considered women not only less evolved than men but also sexually deviant temptresses and the cause of all worlds suffering death… same story, different reactions, different cultures. If gods were meant to be a constant, than why does the interpretation of the literature, the only thing on this earth that stands as a record for the Hebrew god, change? Why is the literature subjective? And why do jesus worshipers make up gods reasons and beliefs to fit their own agenda. Gods has a plan for me. God’s plan is that I become great. God’s will be done. God meant for me to have this. God hates this that and the other…so I have this that and the other…

        If there was a god she would be pissed, I bet, because everyone in her cult is selfish: constantly asking for shit, always assuming god wants what they want, always using god to justify their selfish wants, assuming they know god’s thoughts, assuming god is watching them, assuming a relationship, bugging god on her day off.

        Well, that was a rant, but we have to realize that religion is an archaic human creation and that the belief in such a lowly unintelligent belief system is only a sign of weakness in morals and a weakness in intelligence. People like to justify their bias, feels safe in their security blankets, profit in some way or they’re too damned lazy or timid to challenge the status quo. We don’t need religion to guild us, we don’t need religion to hide form death and we certainly don’t need religion to justify our choices.

        Off subject, sorry :(

        • Scott

          No worries, I go off topic alot in a post because I type out my brainstorms and in the process learn alot more.

          I have been arguing with Matt on these blogs for several months now, usually without any progress. I have explained evolution and the origins of the universe in layman’s terms but for the most part it helps the atheists more than the Christians.

          I am thinking about designing a game where you start with a few people in an unpopulated area of Europe or the Middle East and your job is to reproduce and fight off the dangerous animals and the neanderthals that currently occupy Europe. Later on you meet threats like barbarians, empires, and whatnot trying to take your land. There will be natural mines with copper and tin you want to control to make bronze and later on you will learn to make iron and steel.

          Natural ecology plays out in the land meaning a field will grow back into a forest thru succession and animals like elephants and mammoths will turn a dry deciduous forest into savannas. Whether the Pleistocene extinctions happen or not is up to how you manage your people. Over time you will domesticate animals and plants. As the wilderness turns into human habitat.

          People are born with different personality types so some will invent things, some will make music, some will be better warriors, some will be better hunters, some will be better socially and are able to trade for ores and resources that are not from their land. Religion will have to appear in this game but it needs to appear in a way where it makes it apparent that the people made it up and they need it solve their personal fears and for it to be used as an empire builder. Religion had a role back then but it isn’t really needed now.

          The problem is that I don’t know how to make a game like this because it is so complicated but if it could be done, the game would be fun to play, especially if it were made into an MMO and would educate many people. People need to enjoy the glory that is the story of our true origins. I continue to figure out how to make it into a board game anyhow since I can’t program too well.

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

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        That is what happend when I read your post.

        Well, at least if I’m wrong I’m not stuck in hell for eternity….oh and don’t give me that bs about how the flying spaghetti monster is just as plausible as CHristianity or that “what if I’m wrong about Zeus?!” If Christianity is wrong, I am damn sure no other religion is right, in fact, if not for Christianity, I’d be an atheist, except, well…its true.

        Reason and logic actually does have origins from intelligence and not just a process of random chance. (which it is…regardless of what you say, that is what it boils down to if you believe in atheistic evolution) There actually is a coherent and rational foundation for the human tendency to search for more. Our planet is so perfectly placed to support life not because of expositions in space over billions of years FINALLY put it in the right place, but because an intelligent being put it there.

        I know 2+2 is 4 because I know there are absolute, immaterial, universal, and unchanging laws that govern our world.

        Yes, I realize I ignored basically everything you said, oops.

        • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

          Matt there is so much wrong with what you have written and the thing is that on most of these points, you know you are wrong. This shows me that you are really starting to have doubts about what you believe.

          Anyone can claim anything is true. That’s easy, but we actually have to show evidence for “truth” and not just declare it. That is the hard part. I love it when you said that, “Our planet is so perfectly placed to support life.” I think I will blog about this because it is such a popular argument which has already been refuted over 200 years ago.

        • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

          So falling asleep during a debate proves points right?

          “Well, at least if I’m wrong I’m not stuck in hell for eternity….oh and don’t give me that bs about how the flying spaghetti monster is just as plausible as Christianity or that “what if I’m wrong about Zeus?!” If Christianity is wrong, I am damn sure no other religion is right, in fact, if not for Christianity, I’d be an atheist, except, well…its true.”

          You might go to Islam hell or to Hades but wait, you expected that! If you were born in India, China, or Japan you would live life as a Hindu, Buddhist, Agnostic, Atheist, or whatnot and then when you died, even though you barely crossed paths with Christianity if at all, you will go to hell and suffer for eternity. Sounds like a loving God to me.

          You know where Eden is located? It’s under the Persian Gulf because the two other rivers in Eden would be been around there before the melting of the ice caps. It would have been a very fertile region that was lost to a flood which is why the ancient mourn the loss of that area. Over time, people that told the story thru word of mouth over for centuries before writing would have added a human aspect to the story and blame the loss of the very fertile area on evil people as a way to make some kind of lesson from the story. Since that is as far bad as history goes for the ancients, the writers of the bible decided to include the loss of a fertile region and a flood in genesis.

          “Reason and logic actually does have origins from intelligence and not just a process of random chance. (which it is…regardless of what you say, that is what it boils down to if you believe in atheistic evolution) There actually is a coherent and rational foundation for the human tendency to search for more. Our planet is so perfectly placed to support life not because of expositions in space over billions of years FINALLY put it in the right place, but because an intelligent being put it there.”

          I covered the planet position thing in the new blog. If reason and logic have origins from intelligence, then where did the intelligence originate from? You assume that the intelligence came from a God. However, the intelligence comes from the human mind. Our mind created logic and reason. The intelligence came from adaptation to the grasslands. So I can explain the origin of intelligence while you cannot because God has no origin, he is just there and since he is like he, he couldn’t have logic or reason without an intelligent designer.

          Well, lets talk about Earth anyways. There are billions of solar systems will billions of planets. Some solar systems have planets that are perfectly positioned for life. Hence we live in such a solar system. Earth was not made from an explosion (well, it’s atoms where previously before the nebula even existed) but rather from a condensing process in the ring of gas around the sun.

          The nebula is composed of Hydrogen and Helium mostly. Around 1.5% is ices like water, methane, and ammonia, while like 5% is made of rocks and metals. When it was condensed, the nebula turned into a disk thru rotation and the sun was composed of 99% of the matter in the middle. In the areas closest to the sun, only rocks and metals could condense so we have planets that are entirely rock closest to the sun. Past the frost line beyond Mars, the ices could condense and due to the greater amount of ices, the cores of the gas planets were much larger than Earth. Then their immense size was able to capture the hydrogen and helium and become massive gas planets. Several stray comets made of ices and rocks formed by Jupiter and beyond and some got flung to the inner solar system giving the terrestrial planets water, methane, and ammonia but still in much smaller numbers than present in the outer solar system (we had enough to make oceans but not enough to completely submerge Earth underwater.

          So Earth was not put there by an intelligent being and probability says that when a solar system forms and it has stable orbits, there is very likely going to be a planet located in the habitable region. God didn’t put it there, it just happened to be there. He also just happened to put Venus outside the region and made Mars too small to remain Earthlike in the long term. Mars did have oceans and such at one point.

          “I know 2+2 is 4 because I know there are absolute, immaterial, universal, and unchanging laws that govern our world.

          Yes, I realize I ignored basically everything you said, oops.”

          And this is just making a fool out of yourself. And don’t kid yourself, you read my post and it put you in panic mode because I brought your name up several times yesterday in other posts. What it comes down to is that my story of ancient history isn’t an ideal romanticized story about how we came about like the bible allegedly is. It’s actually a realistic story that has evidence to support it. Perhaps you don’t use what evolution gave you: intelligence. You don’t use it because you live as a slave to an imaginary being because you fear death. However, if you learn to accept death, you will be a free man and political leader won’t be able to easily manipulate you.

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      “Often times in scripture the author simply uses anthropomorphism when he is speaking of God because clearly it helps use relate to him.”

      Does the bible tell you it will be using anthropomorphisms or is that was others have decided it does that way it makes sense to them?

      “-We are not innocent. We act on learned decisions rather than natural instinct. We make choices which select between good and evil.
      -We have the ability to communicate with God.
      -We are given authority in His creation. Over what have we been given authority? (All other living creatures, as well as over all of the earth.)
      -We differ from all of the rest of creation in that we are also spiritual beings. It is in that likeness that scripture may refer.”

      Can’t you see how self-obsessed this all sounds? There is a magical man who made me in his Godly image. The magical man gave me Dominion over All living things. We alone have deductive reasoning because the magical man Gave us this because we are super special. I am amazing and God has designed a plan just for me because this magical man loves me and he fills my heart with love and joy because I am special. This magical man is my father and he loves me and he wants me to be in heaven with him for all eternity and I am Immortal too! I will never die because the magical man loves me and gives power over all living things and he made me smart and he is my God… me me me, I I I…don’t you see how self centered this is?

      But wait! There is more. Not only did god create you in his perfect images and give you immortality and give you power over all and give you intelligence and give you love but he also had his own son publically massacred so that you don’t even have to pay for your own sins. He murdered his own son so that you can masturbate in peace while day dreaming about having sex with the neighbor lady…don’t you feel special? All this for you.

      • Scott

        Awesome post! Both you and Kat are my new favorite posters here since you think alot like me and have alot of enthusiasm in your posts.

  • Eu

    ICCTS is an NGO…

    • Rupert MacLannahan

      Anybody can create a sham organization and call themselves an NGO. Going to the page of ICCTS, it is very difficult to see what the organization is, what it is supposed to do, who its constituents are, or anything else about it other than it really, really, really hates the pope and Canada (it seems to have a real antipathy towards Canada, saying that Canada is guilty of genocide). The origination does not even have a Wikipedia entry, as far as I can see, from which I reach the conclusion that it is probably one guy with a laptop just calling himself the ICCTS, as I used to have a Foundation For The Study Of Her Majesty’s Corgis. when I was a young man. They certainly do not have the legal authority to prosecute the pope, or anyone else, for anything, nor can they issue an arrest warrant. The entire bussiness is a nonsense.

      • Lulu

        I agree, but one thing that jumps out in their piece on this subject is their characterization of the Pope as a Nazi war criminal. The pope was born in 1928. That would make him 17 when the war ended. Not a lot of time for being a ‘war criminal’ – especially on the grand scale typically mentioned. He, like EVERY OTHER GERMAN CHILD, was a member of the Hitler Youth – as required by law. Anyone who refused would have been shot.

  • http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

    Look, the pope has the Swiss Guards to protect him, and they have pikes, for Christ sakes. He doesn’t need to worry that anyone is going to persecute him for anything.

    • DivineWordRadio

      And uzis.