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Christians Have To Make Up Their Minds

Today is the Christian holiday they call Good Friday. Today Christians celebrate the alleged murder of Jesus. Christians think that Jesus was the greatest person/god ever. But if they love Jesus so much why do they call the day commemorating his alleged murder, “good?”

Most Christians will tell you that the most important aspect of their religion is the death of Jesus on the cross. They believe that the death of Jesus some how paid for the sins/wrong doing of everyone who ever lived. This they believe is the “good” which the holiday is named for.

While there are a number of problems with this, the one I want to focus on today is the hypocritical way Christians in general seem to react to the alleged death of Jesus. Many Christians blame the Romans for the murder of Jesus. Pontius Pilate in particular is a figure who many Christians despise and vilify. Some Christians (like Mel Gibson) blame the Jews for the murder of Jesus. This view continues to play a large role in the anti-Semitism both in Europe and America. Finally, some Christians also vilify Judas Iscariot for allegedly betraying Jesus to those alleged to have murdered him. But how can these people be evil if the murder of Jesus was a good thing?

Christians have to make up their minds about this. Are these people who are alleged to have killed Jesus bad for killing Jesus? If so, then why is this holiday called Good Friday? I would think that if someone helped to save everyone who ever lived and will live they would be heroes. In the religious context, they should even be saints.

On a related note this whole Good Friday/Easter story of Christianity doesn’t really make any sense, so I guess this is just one more nonsensical aspect of this holiday and the entire Christian religion.

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  • Turfkiller

    The important aspect isn’t the celebration of the death but it is essential that Christians believe Jesus really died. The celebration is in the belief that Jesus was brought back from the dead. It’s why if you believe the story makes it reasonable to believe in the spiritualness of Jesus as humans do not ever come back from the dead especially after 3 days. Additionally, the idea of good is because it was good they believe that Jesus died a terrible tortured death for redemption of sins. He wasn’t murdered but executed in accordance with the laws of the time.

    My point is if you want to be critical, get the story right. You are not because of your critique is founded in belief and not fact based analysis. It’s a carbon copy of the republican and the Christian views of secularism and those of any other religious views that are different than theirs. Abortion isn’t murder and execution isn’t murder.

    Your intolerance is very like the Christians with the sloppy use of words.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Please, I am simplifying the story. We all know the story so there is no need to retell every detail. The bottom line is that most Christians celebrate TODAY (Good Friday) because they are celebrating the death of Jesus on the cross. They celebrate Easter Sunday for the resurrection. That’s two days from now. This blog isn’t about that. It is about Good Friday.

      I actually think you made a good point with your distinction between murder and execution. But that only applied to the Romans, not to the Jews or Judas. According to the story, their actions ought to be considered murderous.

      You intolerance crack detracts from your argument, is a baseless personal attack, and simply immature.

  • kat

    Over 2000 years later and “Christians” still can’t give up their Pagan rituals..tells you something

  • http://dogmaticatheist.wordpress.com A-Dizzle

    Pontiaus Pilate, Judas, and the Jews should be heros for having in a hand in killing Jesus in the eyes of Christians.

  • anti_supernaturalist

    ** For ‘goodness sake’ look it up

    This the Internet — look up what you don’t know! Your ignorance makes my efforts harder.

    It is important that atheists get enough background on xianity to pose a real threat to fundies — because xians have had 2,000 years to put together many obvious sophistries as well as sophisticated (though fallacious) arguments to defeat a challenge to their core claims.

    For example, in the name ‘Good Friday’ the ‘good’ has nothing to do with goodness. ‘Good’ means exactly what it does in ‘Goodbye.’ ‘Goodbye’ is a contraction of ‘God be with ye’. In modern English the letter ‘y’ was used for the sound we write as ‘th’.

    ‘Good Friday’ derived from ‘God’s Friday’ — there was a certain reluctance to use the complete word ‘God’ out of fear of “blaspheming”.

    Part of the pirate craze was using dead oaths like: zounds, odsbodkins, s’blood, and bloody in British English. The originals come from English: God’s wounds, God’s bodykins (little bodies), God’s blood. To swear by: Jesus’ wounds suffered during his crucifixion, the consecrated host (a bit of bread turned into Christ’s body during Mass), Christ’s blood (as drawn from torture and crucifixion which redeems humankind).

    If you think that this is funny, strange, or stupid, well the joke’s on you. If enough people think that blasphemy against God is real and they can back it up with secular authority (aka, guys with guns) — then best watch your language too.

    Just go visit Ireland where a new law against blasphemy was recently enacted. And the UN is debating a ban anti-religious speech, including cartoons. Talk about a worldwide attempt to silence critics!

    the anti_supernaturalist

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Actually, Goodbye is a contraction for an even longer phrase, “God be with ye on ye quest.” That was later shortened to “God be with ye.”

      I didn’t know this also applied to Good Friday and I suspect that most modern Christians don’t either. In fact, when I tell people about “Goodbye,” they tend to be genuinely surprised. So I stand corrected on that.

  • anti_supernaturalist

    Faith, the trusting suspension of disbelief, fails the sniff test of history

    • canonic xian texts appear 400 years after their alleged events.

    The “Good News” did not drop out of the sky into the eager hands of true believers. There was no Newsweek for Roman Palestine in the first century CE. No text in Aramaic, the language Jesus would have spoken, has ever been found.

    The xian texts which appear together under the (question begging) name, ‘New Testament’ were written in koine Greek over the span of about a century 50CE-150CE. The gospels were authored, later altered and added to by persons who are unknown.

    The 27 canonical books of the NT were selected from a large number of xian texts and variants in circulation in the fifth century CE. The leftovers were confiscated and burned. By good fortune single copies were discovered in cave at Nag Hammadi, Egypt in 1945 — a treasure urn filled with gnostic texts deliberately saved from the flames.

    • The gospels are historical fiction

    Only taboo prevents grasping that the life of Jesus is identical to the life of Sherlock Holmes. That is, they had no lives. They are fictional characters.

    Holmes and Jesus/Christ have also taken on a “life of their own” outside of canonic primary writings “about” them. Witness first-rate Holmesian fan fiction novel, ‘The 7% Solution’ — the title refers to Holmes’ addiction to injectable cocaine. Theology starting with Paul (fl. 50-65 CE) is fifth-rate fan fiction about a typical hellenized world savior.

    Even if the stage set is historically appropriate, Holmes’s London and Jesus’ Jerusalem are also fictionalized. In the real world, there never has been a 221B Baker Street. Dr Watson did not write The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. Pilate was never governor of Judea — that office did not exist until after Jesus’ death. None of the four gospels was written by the people whose name each bears.

    And Jesus certainly didn’t talk to Pilate, especially not using the grandiloquent rhetoric attributed to him by John. The real Pilate was noted for cruelty and disdain for the people — the Ecce Homo scene is contrary to fact. Jesus was an apostate from Judaism; such local affairs were of no interest to Rome. The penalty for his religious crime was being stoned to death.

    Now Rome had no problem putting upstart rebels to death on the cross — but there was no crucifixion, no stoning because Jesus could no more die on a cross than Holmes could die from a cocaine overdose.

    Only after the destruction of Jerusalem (70 CE) did xians commit to writing the antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish religious authorities and “the people” had accused Jesus of claiming to be “King of the Jews.”

    Siding with Rome in appearance — as Paul also advises — was a survival strategy. Pilate got his coat of whitewash — he is willing to return Jesus to his fellow Jews or release another criminal — as if Pilate cared about Jewish customs of mercy during Passover. In the middle ages Pilate became sanitized enough to become a minor saint.

    Xians are fond of claiming that better evidence is available for Jesus’ life than for that of Julius Caesar. They lie. I propose a counterargument: our evidence for Sherlock Holmes is more solid than that for Jesus. And, that’s the gospel truth.

    the anti_supernaturalist

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      That’s great and I don’t want to discourage you from commenting but I have to ask, What does this have to do with this blog? I already wrote about this topic.