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You Just Don’t Understand the Bible

If I had a dime for every time a Christian told me that, “You Just Don’t Understand the Bible,” I would be a rich man. Maybe they are right and I really don’t understand the Bible. That is certainly a strong possibility.

I have read the Bible cover-to-cover and I have spent some time reading various people’s opinions about what it all means (from various believers and non-believers). I a have discussed the Bible with various believers in depth. I’ve gone to Bible Studies and Hebrew Schools. Even so, it still maybe true that I really don’t understand the Bible.

However, if the Bible was writing by the Hoy Spirit of God through inspired chosen people, than one would think that the perfect creator of the universe would make his divine text easier to understand. This is especially true if you consider hat if someone doesn’t understand it correctly, they could be tortured for all eternity in Hell (I think I understood that part correctly).

Besides, many Christians tell me that the Bible says contradictory things. One Christian tells me that God loves all people while others tell me that “God hates fags.” The Bible says that God considers homosexuality to be an abomination and even suggests that gay people should be murdered and yet murder is against the Ten Commandments. So I am a little confused. Most Christians tell me that Jesus is all about peace, but the Bible says the exact opposite. Matthew 10:34 states point blank that Jesus didn’t come to bring peace, but rather came to bring violence.

Maybe I don’t really understand the Bible, but after reading it I am not all that sure that most Christians understand the Bible either.

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  • 1225truth

    They don’t!

    Often claims are made that the Bible can be understood filtered through the “Holy Spirit” But when I as what are the properties and attributes of the Holy Spirit how are they to be acquired, they never answer.

  • http://dogmaticatheist.wordpress.com A-Dizzle

    Haha. If I had a nickel every time a Christian says “context” I’d be as rich as you. Apparently slavery and other barbaric practices are moral in given contexts. Which I guess kind of tramples on the whole idea of an objective absolute morality.

    It makes my brain hurt.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      I already wrote a blog on context, Check the sidebar —->

  • http://atheist666.blogspot.com/ Jim McCann

    As Sam Clemens said ” it ain’t the parts of the Bible that I don’t understand that bothers me, it’s the bits I do understand that bothers me”
    The ‘thou shall not commandments’ are good, one of them says “thou shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk” now you don’t have to be a Gordon Ramsay to know that is fucking sick, but what in hells name does it mean and why is a God so bothered about this particular recipe
    .

  • http://www.atheistinsurgency.com Atheist Insurgency

    The “holy spirit” is a little brain chemistry that triggers euphoria from an easily conditioned stimulus response.

  • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

    After reading most of genesis, the bible’s intents are very clear. In the bible, we learn that people are naturally evil. This is probably because of the first sin which was that of seeking knowledge. Between the first sin and the flood, a world of mass sin is described and at that point of the story, God really didn’t make any rules yet. It is shown that God hates sinners and will flood the world or burn cities. After the flood, the Tower of Babel was built. This story existed to save the promoters of the bible from the cost of building huge religious structures.

    Then God picked some favorites. I guess the favorites started with Cain and Abel and now that I think of it, that story teaches one to not be jealous of God’s favorites. Abraham’s blood line is heavily favored and it seems mostly due to the fact that they are close to God rather than their behavior otherwise. Jacob had two wives and also slept with their servants. Abraham used trickery to gain wealth by claiming his wife to be his sister several times and I think one of his descendants did it later on.

    The main goal of God having favorites was to give credibility to priests that could talk to God (because God only talks to some people) and it also gave the priests the ability to have the poor character flaws that the Abrahamic blood line had.

    So essentially, you don’t question the what the priest tell you and you don’t seek to prove them wrong because God favors them and messing with God’s favorites is dangerous. Abraham happily accepted wealth from others so a priest could get money for “talking to God”. Kings also had the same power the priests had. It’s possibly that Christianity built feudalism but I’d have to look more into that. Anyhow, the bible is a mind controlling scam.

    So if a Christian tells me “You Just Don’t Understand the Bible”, then I will tell them, yes I do and each story has a specific lesson that makes only makes sense in context of “how does this story help mind control you”. As I learn more I can expand this list but I have a feeling that genesis introduced most of the main concepts. I know the new testament changes some things but I will dig into that book later on.

    • Seth

      Abraham’s blood line were the only ones who slightly followed God, so God helped him to grow more in Him. Abraham never knew God before so he had trouble obeying, but God still loved him. And God stopped the Babel builders so that they would spread out into the world. Adam and Eve were supposed to tell their children of God, but eventually God was lost. The people became sinful and only one man and his family loved God, so God started over again, but there was still sin. And Abraham was trying to save his skin when he said he was his wife’s brother. God didn’t like that. God didn’t favor the priests or anything, they just had a closer relationship with God. God picked them to be His messangers. He even killed a priest if the man came into God’s presence with sin in his heart. So God didn’t actually have favorites, just people who followed Him. The “christianity” expressed in the feudal age was a controlling religion, but it is quite different from what I believe in. I am a protestant and those were catholics. The laity couldn’t read the Bible of that day, so the pope used that to do a takeover.

      • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

        I’l let Scott pick this one apart, but I just wanted to throw in my view of the Tower of Babel story.

      • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

        “Abraham’s blood line were the only ones who slightly followed God, so God helped him to grow more in Him.”

        Abraham followed God but otherwise was not a righteous man. He deceived people, kept slaves, ordered everyone circumcised everyone in the land of Canaan, raped a slave and later on let his wife mistreat the slave because the slave felt negative emotions regarding the rape.

        “Abraham never knew God before so he had trouble obeying, but God still loved him.”

        God apparently didn’t love the people that lived in those two cities that he burned in during Abraham’s lifetime.

        “And God stopped the Babel builders so that they would spread out into the world.”

        That wasn’t the main reason for it. He stopped them because he was envious of mankind being able to build such huge structures.

        “Adam and Eve were supposed to tell their children of God, but eventually God was lost. ”

        That never appeared in the bible.

        “The people became sinful and only one man and his family loved God, so God started over again, but there was still sin.”

        A perfect God completely messed up his creation to be super imperfect and had to start over. Have you ever consider how illogical the concepts of the bible really are?

        “And Abraham was trying to save his skin when he said he was his wife’s brother.”

        Well, lying is a sin and if I regard, God pulls out miracles for his followers in situations like these (like when the lions didn’t eat Daniel).

        “God didn’t favor the priests or anything, they just had a closer relationship with God. God picked them to be His messangers. He even killed a priest if the man came into God’s presence with sin in his heart. So God didn’t actually have favorites, just people who followed Him. ”

        Clearly God favored Abel over Cain. Why does God only talk to some people and ignores everyone else? Our world is far from perfect, it seems logical that an afterlife is too good to be true and that religion is actually a mind control tactic used by corrupt people.

        “The “christianity” expressed in the feudal age was a controlling religion, but it is quite different from what I believe in. I am a protestant and those were catholics. The laity couldn’t read the Bible of that day, so the pope used that to do a takeover.”

        The Catholic structure eventually did collapse and the religion evolved into something else eventually turning into what religion is today where people can read the bible but most of them don’t and believe anyways. Regardless of your sect though, the bible is the same book all sects are derived from.

        • Seth

          1:Abraham didn’t rape the slave, as a slave she obeyed her master. And in those days, slaves were normally treated with some respect. The slave was only mad at Sarah and not Abraham, this was because she didn’t want to be pregnant. As all of us are, Abraham was sinnful. Sodom and Gomorah, God gave them a chance, but they were crawling with sin, they were destroyed because God knew that the people there were beyond the turning point. You do know that the tower of babel was only like, 1/5 the size of the E.S.B. And He knew that the people were trying to be as high as heaven so He made them split up. He wasn’t at all jealous of them, just annoyed. If you knew who created the world, then you should pass it on. And God was forgotten by the people, because if they knew about Him, then they would have believed in Him. How did God mess up His own creation. We were the ones who messed everything up, not Him. Yes, I have thought that, but God makes much more sense than atheism. We all sin hundreds of times a day. Abraham knew God and God wasn’t about to lose him. As I said, Abel followed God more because he was willing to give a life of one of his animals to the LORD. God doesn’t actually ignore anyone, read Galatians and you’ll see. And if you call me and my family corupted(My dad is here in Japan as a missionary, one of my brothers is in inner city Newark helping starving kids and broken families) then that would be sick. And no, not all sects come from the Bible.

          • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

            “And God was forgotten by the people, because if they knew about Him, then they would have believed in Him.”

            The reason I do not believe in God is because there is a lack of concrete evidence of his existence. It might be hard to contemplate a godless world but once figures it out, it makes sense that there is no God.

            “How did God mess up His own creation. We were the ones who messed everything up, not Him.”

            God is allegedly perfect so his creation becoming sinful and imperfect is contradictory. Why did he put that tree in his garden in the first place. What if I had two dogs in my house and let’s say I left a plate of dog treats on the floor and told the dogs they aren’t allowed to ever eat it and then left the house for a few hours. It’s almost an absolute guarantee that when you come home, those treats is going to be eaten regardless of what you tell the dog.

            As a result, you punish the dogs and when they have puppies, you punish them too, and then you punish the following generations of puppies and so forth. Is that not petty?

            I myself am less petty than the Christian God (whom is a perfect being by the way).

            “We all sin hundreds of times a day.”

            If sinning is bad why were we designed in such a way that it is possible for us to do so at such frequency?

            “And no, not all sects come from the Bible.”

            How can one be a Christian without the bible?

            • Seth

              1: I believe in God because there is too much evidence for Him, and too little for evolution.
              2: We aren’t dogs though, and this answer I cannot answer, I don’t know everything. Just like you can’t solidly explain how the earth began. I’ll look for an answer though, I’ll ask my dad. And are you not petty for letting your RELIGION kill innocent and helpless babies.
              3: Because satan started sin, God was maybe trying to see if we could love Him enough to follow Him forever, that is what I think.
              4: Not all sects are true Christian. They say they believe in the Bible but they just want your money.

              • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

                1. If there is so much evidence for your god, why don’t you present some it this mountain. My guess is that you will use the old arguments from design, first cause, or some other long refuted argument. Seth, you are a young guy and you haven’t really looked into these things. As for the scientific theory of evolution via natural selection, there is a pretty large mountain of data supporting it. Fossil records, DNA observations, etc.
                2. As far as behavior is concerned, we pretty much are dogs. You should read the experiments of Pavlov. Also, I don’t have a religion. But when I was Jewish, you would be accurate to say that the Jewish religion like the other Abrahamic religions (Christianity included) are responsible for the killing of many innocent and helpless babies and adults. The Bible even talks about how God ordered the Moses to kill babies (although fortunately there is no evidence that those battles actually happened).
                3. If your god was so powerful, why would he allow Satan to start sin? Plus, I don’t really think this view that Satan started sin is actually in the Bible. I think you just made it up. But that’s cool, you are still young and probably haven’t read the Bible cover-to-cover on your own yet. Your parents and teachers probably gave you a watered down Bible and have you jumping around to the nice parts that they think you can handle.
                4. The old “True Scottsman” argument. The truth is that your sect wants your money too, they are just more subtle about taking it. You’ll see.

            • Seth

              By the way, note if you are neo-darwinist, darwinist, or an E.Q.

              • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

                Those are all made up Christian labels. I’m no more a Darwinist than I am a Newtonist or a Einsteinist. I don’t even know what the E.Q. means. You’ll have to translate your cult speak for me.

  • Seth

    First off, only people who don’t believe in the Bible can’t understand it. You just don’t want yourself to understand it so that you could put another post up here. I’m only 13 and I understand the Bible perfectly. And if you mean by fags than you can know that those are either the ones who sinned and died or the ones who started sin(the devil and his minions). The homo law was before Christ, before there was the son who came to save and not kill. And that was part of the war on sin in the Old T. days when the fray was more serious and physical. That battle was just like a nowaday battle where we kill our enemies. That is not murder, murder is cold blooded and killing a defenseless, peaceful person. On violence, it doesn’t say He came to bring violence in the way you think of it, as it does say that the gospel will turn a family from each other. That is what it says.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Seth, you are 13 and understand the Bible perfectly? Wow, I know Christians who have studied the Bible their whole lives and yet claim not to understand it perfectly. You should teach at Yale Divinity. I don’t think you realize that most atheists were once believers. I studied the “Old Testament” for almost as long as you have been alive as a believer. As for the old “Covenant Theology” crap, I already wrote about that one here.

      • Seth

        I am sorry, I shouldn’t have used the word perfectly. I was trying to make a point. And I do know that most atheists claim that they used to be Christians. If you were a Christian, then you would know that God is greater than man and that you should follow Him.

    • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

      “I’m only 13 and I understand the Bible perfectly”

      I read the bible when when I was in middle school too. I took it seriously for a year. But I had interests in science. A trip to the planetarium in ninth grade renewed my interests in astronomy. After much research and after having physically seen the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter (and it’s moons), Saturn, and Uranus, along with galaxies, nebulas, and observing the Doppler effect, it became clearer as to how the world operates.

      When I was first introduced to the notion that one could reject God because it conflicted with what we know of the world thru research, I decided to see what that bandwagon was about. In the summer of 1998, I decided to temporarily be an atheist so I could look at the world differently without any God. I never looked back, for the world makes much more sense now.

      So if you are getting around to reading the bible now, then chances are that you too will discover when you get older that we live in a godless world.

      • Seth

        But the difference is that I love God, and He is my only ruler. As I study biology, I see how great my God is. I see His creation and my purpose. I can look forward to Heaven while you only see death.

        • Mike

          Is that why you believe in God, because you look forward to heaven? Albert Einstein remarked on this when he said “A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”

          • Seth

            No. I was simply stating that when you die as an atheist, you die and no one cares. When I die I’ll have something to see, something to do and love.

            • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

              My wife, family, and friends would all disagree with you. When I die, they will most certainly care. When you die, your family and friends will care too. They will be very sad even though you keep telling them that you will be going to magic happyland. Many of your friends will believe you and still instead of being happy, they will be sad. In truth, I don’t really think you all believe in your magic happyland. I just think you are all trying to convince yourselves of something you know to be a lie. Otherwise, you would be jumping for joy when people died.