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The Persecuted Majority

So yesterday, I was talking about the importance of actor Daniel Radcliffe coming out as an atheist on my Examiner blog. I mentioned that Radcliffe’s admission may have been a career risk in come out as an atheist. One comment that a Christian made on the story was that it was more of a career risk to come out as a Christian than an atheist in America.

I have heard similar claims from Christians about other professions including believe it or not, politicians. I always find it funny when Christians who make up roughly 75 to 80 percent of the population whine about how they are being persecuted by the roughly 15 percent of non-believers. While some Christians will claim that just because people go to church, they may not necessarily be Christian. This then turns into “Who are the Real Christians.” But that aside, multiple polls still show that at least 34 percent of Americans are fundamentalist Christians. So they would still outnumber atheists two to one.

There are certainly some professions which have more non-theists than other professions though. Scientists, college professors, journalists, comedians, etc. all have large numbers of atheists in their fields. Out of those groups atheists probably only outnumber theists in the fields of science and comedy. Despite the large number of atheist college professors and journalists, there are still more theists in those fields. Christians aren’t however discriminated against in the field of science, but as it happens the more we learn and question it seems the less people believe. But that is another blog for another day.

The point today is that Christians are not being persecuted in America. In fact, usually when religious persecution takes place in America, Christians are generally the ones doing the persecuting. The claim that Christians are being persecuted because they can’t turn schools into churches like they used to is just laughable. I always find it funny that when secular society puts an end to religious persecution that is seen by religious fanatics as persecution in and of itself.

In general though, I think many Christians enjoy being persecuted and so they cry persecution when ever they can whether or not there is actual persecution going on or not. According to the Bible, Jesus was persecuted and so by playing the persecution card, some Christians feel like they are more Christian. It seems to be a way of shoring up one’s faith.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/agnosticanarch AgnosticAnarch

    This argument holds up ten times as much in the scary Bible Belt South (from which I am carefully typing this comment)!!! Poor, poor oppressed Christians! I just don’t know how they survive with all the martyrdom running rampant.

  • http://www.myspace.com/itsahicke Her3tiK

    Also, have you ever noticed that they like to claim this is a Christian nation because the majority believe in God, but then turn around and say they’re branch is the only true branch and all others are heretics? Gotta love how they can’t even keep their own poorly contrived facts straight.

  • T0mmk1ns0n

    Stak’s argument assumes the truth of the following proposition:

    It is impossible for a majority to be repressed

    That is a completely unsupportable assertion. If this were true the platform of Dennis Kucinich, supported by Staks, which takes for granted that the minority owning class represses the majority working class would be vacuous. I happen to think its vacuous for other reasons but still.

    Were not the majority Shi’a oppressed by the Sunni in Saddam’s Iraq? What about Black South Africans under apartheid?

    Be it economic, religious, or ethnic this planet and its history are chock full of examples that thoroughly refute Staks’ proposition.

    Now it does not follow that because Staks’ argument rests on false premises that Christians are in fact oppressed it means our analysis must be more rigorous and we need be concerned more with power than numbers. On that score its fair to say there are spheres in the country where Christians are institutionally ridiculed if not oppressed and there are numerous instances where religious freedom is unjustly restricted. Here are 5 recent examples that would be inconceivable were they applied to secular or even other religious groups:

    1. A church in Michigan was unjustly forced to pay fees to rent facilities that secular groups did not. http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/UserDocs/FABCConsentJudgment.pdf

    2. A California library illegally banned Christian groups from meeting in its rooms:
    http://www.telladf.org/UserDocs/FCCEMOpinion.pdf

    3. Why can’t Christian groups just meet at each other’s homes rather than libraries or other facilities well…:
    http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Bible-Group-Gets-Apology-from-the-County/Roa_8GXqOkiC53jjjYhhWA.cspx

    4. Universities order Christian students to support political positions to which they are opposed.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/04/AR2007050401990.html?nav=most_emailed

    http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2009/04/federal_lawsuit_claims_eastern.html

    5.Christians not allowed to voice their opinions or even pray at a Gay Pride parade.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42442

    Had I the time or the desire I could easily extend this list to the hundreds, but I can’t say the same for any other group, religious or otherwise.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Gee, I wonder why the spam filter thought you were a spammer? I just can’t imagine, lol.

  • Mr. X

    People DO love feeling sorry for themselves, I will say that.

    And, “getting offended”…

    And, feeling self-righteous…

    I once had a Christian friend say to me, “Maybe WE’LL be the generation that sees all the [Book of Revelations] prophecies come true… and be the ones who have to fight the armies of the Anti-Christ!…”

    I’ve met other people with the same mentality. I mentioned to a coworker that “I’m not religious” (which is as IN-YOUR-FACE as I tend to be, in person). She agreed that she wasn’t either…but, she “believed in God”…”and Jesus”…and then said something about “2012, and prophecies that were finally coming together”…sigh…

    If America’s popular culture tells us anything, they’re not alone in these sentiments.

    As much as they like to claim that “Christianity isn’t as violent as Islam,” it seems that all of these religions foster a mind-set of feeling persecuted and confrontational, and of GETTING PSYCHED for that BIG FIGHT at the end.

    In their defense, I have to admit that it would be pretty cool, if I woke up one day and found that my life had suddenly become an apocalyptic action movie.

    The point is, maybe it’s because this “persecuted” mentality is so much fun, that we end up with your “persecuted majority,” the same one that drives sales for the “Left Behind” series, etc.

  • http://www.myspace.com/rothtalltales Tralf

    They cannot help but play the martyr role. It’s fundamental to their beliefs, so fundamental that I spied this message on a board outside a church in Rolling Meadows, Illinois:

    “Duct tape is useful for most jobs. But sometimes you need 3 nails.”

    Holy shit, are they BRAGGING on the torture death of Jesus? Yes, they are. Sick, ghoulish believers huddled around the rotting corpse of Jesus thanking him for dying for their sins so, with a free and clean conscience, they can act like total assholes.

    Randy

    • Dina

      I thought that duct tape quote was disturbing. Even as a Christian myself I didn’t quite get it at first. But I wanted to respond to your comment in case there was any misunderstanding about why Jesus died. For a long time I didn’t understand why Jesus had to die. Then a friend pointed me to John 15:13: “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” That verse made me realize how much Jesus loved everyone. I hate how he was tortured – no one in history has been persecuted like him. But this was to symbolize how he bore the weight of everyone’s sins. Through him our sins are forgiven. That doesn’t mean we should keep on sinning – no, God commands us to do his will.

      • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

        First off, to claim that “no one in history has been persecuted like him.” is not factually true and is actually very subjective. I would argue for example that Hypatia of Alexandria was persecuted and tortured far more than the alleged Jesus. Second, Jesus wasn’t even alleged to have even really died. According to the Bible he came back to life and knew that he would. That’s not death, that’s temporary displacement at best. And where is he alleged to have gone after “death?” Paradise? Some persecution that is. I’ll blog on this more next week.

    • http://www.myspace.com/rothtalltales Tralf

      Small correction to my quote:

      “Duct tape won’t fix everything. Sometimes it takes 3 nails.”

      Still ghoulish, still reflects a ghoulish mindset, that the torture death of Jesus somehow “fixed” the world. Well, last I peeked outside, it’s still a total effing mess, more so because of people who think a guy died 2,000 years in the past for their future sins. Shit, I watch “Dr. Who” and can’t make sense of that time travel bullshit.

      Randy