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A Sin is a Sin is a Sin

One particular aspect of Religious Right Christianity which sometimes trickles into the mainstream of Christianity is the idea that all sins (or wrongs) are equal. I remember when I was younger, a Christian explained it to me with the following analogy:

God is pure and can’t tolerate anything other than purity. Sin is like an ink spot on purity. Even the littlest sin in intolerable to God. And once the black ink of sin is on the pure whiteness of the soul, nothing can get it out… except of course Jesus.

With this analogy, Jesus is the ultimate laundry man and sin is God’s Kryptonite. I always found that part a little strange. If God is supposed to be so all powerful, why can’t he tolerate sin? But that is another issue for another blog. The issue of today’s blog is that within the Christian mythology, the littlest sin stains the soul just as much as a large sin. Both are equally as intolerable to God and both will land you in ETERNAL HELL; in for a pinch, in for a pound. Whether one lusts in his or her heart or murders someone, it makes no difference to the Biblical God. Homosexuality is just as much of an abomination to God as stealing or working on Saturday.

Now of course for those who embrace this mythology, there is the up side that Jesus is the ultimate stain remover/laundry man. That means that Christians don’t have to worry about committing those little sins and since those little sins are equal to those big sins, Biblical Christians don’t have to worry about those either. Catholics learned that a long time ago and that is why the idea of weekly and even daily confession started.

All sins are the same in Christianity. All sins are equally offensive to God. So next a woman asks you if she looks fat in something or a man asks you if you think he is sexy, before you tell that little white lie, think about it. Lying is a sin and just as bad as murdering someone. So if you have already sinned, why not just murder someone anyway? If you are a Christian who has accepted Jesus into your “heart of hearts” (whatever that means), you are forgiven in advance anyway.

Don’t give me that crap about Christians not supposed to sin either, because we all know that everyone sins. We are all evil sinners according to the Biblical God, right? And just in case you do some how manage to follow all the rules, God gets you with the Original Sin. God’s got that shit covered. So if a sin is a sin is a sin, than why not murder and steal like crazy.

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  • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

    Wow. You really lack any sort of spiritual discernment at all. I don’t know why it always surprises me, because scripture clearly tells me this is the case for those who reject God. So I shouldn’t get surprised….

    There are several things you simply cannot grasp here. #1 being the necessity of redemption. The redemptive process brings a ton of questions to the table, and I am currently reading a book on the topic actually. #2 being this idea of sin. Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you are saying is that since we are already sinners doomed to fail, and all sin is equal to God, why not just kill people and steal and do whatever we want?

    From your perspective, I can see why this makes sense. However, from the Christian perspective the simplest way to say why we love Christ is because he first loved us. Love is a choice and an act of will. (also an ability…:)) As Christians we desire to be closer to God, and therefore choose to follow the commandments. Also, there is nothing wrong with realizing that society condemns these things and that being another reason…. as long as we acknowledge that the basis of right and wrong is from God then its all good.

    “Don’t give me that crap about Christians not supposed to sin either, because we all know that everyone sins. We are all evil sinners according to the Biblical God, right?”

    So your saying just because we’re already in the mud we might as well roll around in it? Hmmmm….I think this concept has some bad implications….dang I’m pissed at you and I’m gonna cuss you out like a lil immature 15 year old….well since I did that I might as well come to your house and beat the crap outa you…and since I did that I might as well just kill you….do we really need to go down this road?

    • existential blues

      The point is that, to God, mass murder is the equivalent of telling your girlfriend that she looks fine in that skirt. In other words, God is a dumbass.

      You don’t even need to sin. You were born out of filth. Everyone is born as an abomination because Eve showed curiosity and intelligence, rather than just turn off her brain and submit, which was one of Jesus main messages. You seem to have been convinced.

      The idea that all humans are born as horrible creatures is one of the most wretched of many odious ideas of Christianity. Redemption through the son an imaginary God murdered, who himself was God and man all rolled into one? How desperately stupid do you have to be to believe stuff like that?

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

        Pretty stupid if it weren’t for things like the Bible…and the guy came backt o life and proved his claim of being God was legit.

        • Dan

          that’s pretty cool, so when buddha ascended to nirvana that is bonafide proof that Buddhism must be right, and i can achieve perfection and release from samsara via meditation

        • Kat

          Comments to Matt
          Did YOU see him come back? WHO saw him come back? In which version of the story, there are many?
          and..
          Catholic children make their first confessions at the age of 8, then they’re suppose to go every month(at least) and make a confession of their sins to a priest(I know this because I was raised catholic)Can you tell me what horrible sins an eight year old child could possibly make? I didn’t either, so I had to commit a sin by making something up(lying), because You HAD to tell them something. I remember priest yelling at little kids because they said they didn’t commit any sins..They told us We had to have sinned..I ended up just not going and telling my parents I did(another sin< LOL)

          • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

            Interesting, so seeing is believing? I am not a Catholic…and Catholics are caught up in ritual and seem to have abandoned Biblical guidance.

            • existential blues

              Having evidence precedes belief, if you’re sane or not a child. Given your very slight knowledge of scripture and its historical context, you probably think Jesus’ ascension was recorded by CNN.

              There is no reasonable evidence that it happened.

        • existential blues

          Pretty stupid, given the absurdity of the story, compounded by the lack of evidence for it. You believe with your “heart of hearts” (whatever the hell that means) something for which there is practically no evidence. I know we’ve been down this road before, and I know you’re refractory to any idea that contradicts the beliefs that you so fearfully cling to. The resurrection of Jesus is based on the word of a few bronze age tribesmen with agendas.

          If you think that all “sins” are equal (e.g., telling a fib versus torturing and killing a million people), then ethically, you are a small child. Your religion turns credulous people into incredibly stupid people. It’s the gift that keeps giving.

          Beliefs like that are barbaric and obscene.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Yes Matt, we need to go down that road. You see in secular society, all crimes are NOT equal. But in Bible Land, all sin is Equal. That is the point. Can I kill someone and then be sorry I did it? If I am saved through Jesus, than Yes I can. Then I can kill someone else and be sorry. Just as I can lie today and be sorry and then lie tomorrow and be sorry. If I am saved through Jesus, it doesn’t matter. In for a pinch, in for a pound.

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

        Being “sorry” is a heart issue. Repentance is the word scripture uses not “sorry.” Jesus calls man to repent from his sin and follow him. Because we are BETTER OFF to NOT do certain things. If someone murder’s someone else, they would hopefully feel remorse and repent from that evil deed. However, this helps them spiritually but not physically. They are still responsible for their actions to their fellow man.

        You are mixing the spiritual view of sin with the physical consequences and saying since we can spiritually be forgiven then nothing matters because we arn’t accountable, when in reality we are accountable to our fellow man as well as to God. Repentance is the message of scripture not being “sorry.” Being sorry is a guilt driven response that is almost always accompanied by selfish motives. Repentance is an act of will and there are many things which we can choose to simply not do.

        • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

          Okay, I’ll bit. How do you get redeemed for murder? How do you get redeemed for being gay?

          • Dan

            well the problem with being redeemed for being gay is that the damned queers don’t feel remorse for loving, i mean how can they expect forgiveness if they don’t admit that their very existence is a sin against god.
            (this was sarcastic for those who didn’t catch that)

          • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

            How did Jesus forgive the murderer on the cross next to him? He recognized the man’s heart was truly repentant. As a man I cannot judge another man’s heart. Only God can make this recognition of true repentance.

            • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

              Matt, that doesn’t really answer the question. So being repentant is like being “really sorry.” So again, can I kill someone and then be “repentant” I did it? If I am saved through Jesus, than Yes I can. Then I can kill someone else and be “repentant.”

              • Diana…or would you treat me better if i put a man’s name here

                I think what he’s getting at is that god “knows” what’s in a person’s heart so if he or she really is sorry and really doesn’t want to do it again, god knows and forgives him (repentance)…the imaginary god has super powers….and in that sense, I guess you’re right, it’s like being really sorry for what you did…

              • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

                It does answer the question. Paul puts it best, everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial. I can do whatever I want. However, since certain things have no benefit for myself (in the end or at some point) or others it is unwise to do certain things. Jesus paid the penalty for sin, and yes we can be forgiven. However, this does in no way justify one to continually murder, rape, ect. ect. In fact, that idea is completely contradictory to the gospel message of “turn from your sin and follow me.”

                If your point is simply that we can be forgiven for murdering people over and over….that is actually a very controversial theological issue. One because the very definition of repentance is to basically make a 180 degree turn from sin, as it go the other way and don’t do it again. Jesus message always addressed the heart of man, and if the holy spirit truly convicts one and they accept Christ, their heart changes….and I would argue that one has not truly had a heart change if they still go around murdering people in cold blood.

                However, with all that aside, even if forgiveness is limitless, this in no way gives anyone the license to do whatever they want….

                • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

                  I’m going to have to call bullshit on you here Matt. Do you mean to tell me that now that you have accepted Jesus in your heart, you have done a 180 degree turn from sin and have never sinned again? You have never lied since you became a Christian? If you have lied and repented for your sin, you are telling me here that you can’t go on lying again because then your heart wasn’t really changed? That bullshit and we both know it. But when we replace lying or lusting with a equal sin of murder, than all of a sudden you change your argument. If all sins are equal in the eyes of God (and we have already established that they are) than you are claiming here that “True” Christians can’t sin. If that is true than I maintain that there are no true Christians. If you go on sinning and you do, than you have not truly repented of your sins and have not made the 180 degree turn from sin. So I’m playing the Bullshit card.

                  • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

                    Ok the concept behind the “turning 180″ thing is this. It comes from the repentance word, which the greek word used literally means “to change one’s thinking.” (close to that, maybe not exact phrasing…but thats the idea) The whole concept here, which you are missing, is that when one accepts Christ, their thinking changes and they simply do not desire to do sinful things like they used to.

                    However, because of our sinful condition simply because our desires change from pleasing ourselves to pleasing GOd this does not mean we will never stumble. In fact, the New Testament has alot to say about this. Mostly because of what you said, about how if you lie then you arn’t really a Christian thing….thats not what the change of heart means….it doesn’t mean that now you’ve accepted CHrist and your perfect man that never wants to lie ever again or ever do anything “bad.” The whole idea is centered on this idea of “repentance,” to change one’s thinking. “Repent and follow me.” Sin is viewed in a different light, and the basic morals are simply true. Fornication, idolatry, anger, violence, all these things DO lead to bad consequences for people that wallow in this lifestyle.

                    Idk…its hard for me to explain, I still feel like I did a bad job….sigh

                    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

                      I understood your point before Matt, but you don’t seem to understand my point. I could kill someone, repent and then kill someone again and still go to heaven. In fact, I could be a serial killer and still go to heaven just like you are a serial sinner. We all are according to the Bible. The killer could genuinely repent, but could still keep killing and still go to heaven. All sins are equal so killing and lying are no different.

    • http://www.myspace.com/rothtalltales Tralf

      Spoken like a truly indoctrinated cultist. You speak of “redemption” as if this is an attainable objective via some supernatural process. Pray and God will “touch” your soul, you’ll “see” the light…all possible if you’ve been brainwashed to accept spiritual happenings as a tangible part of objective reality. But they aren’t. They are, however, part of your rich fantasy life, which is all religion has ever been: an excuse for grownups to live a second childhood. I recall the moment I rejected Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. God wasn’t far behind, I can tell you that much. But since I didn’t have parents brainwashing me to believe in Jesus/God, I rationally rejected them as easily as the other imaginary figures.

      Randy

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

        Well Randy….I’ll pray for you. Just kidding just kidding…but seriously, I might, anyways just playin off that stereotypical answer….

        Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, “The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion…The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen.”

        I like to attribute the cause to God.

        The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

        Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, “Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.”

        As an atheist, why do you feel so compelled to disprove to me or anyone else (or yourself) the existence of a God? It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

        • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

          You attribute it to God? based on what? This is a classic God of the Gaps argument. Science doesn’t have all the answers, but for every question science still hasn’t answered, Christians insert their God. What will you do when Jastrow or another scientist does come up with a scientific theory to explain those things? You will probably attack him and his theory just like Creationist attack evolution. You have made your conclusion and no matter what the evidence suggests, your faith tells you that you are right and that the evidence and the evil scientists are wrong. You bet you claim that Jastrow is arrogant because he doesn’t believe in your God too. But now I am taking us further off topic and that is my bad.

          • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

            Hmmmm, I did not mean it as God of the gaps….but without offering a huge explanation I guess it simply comes out that way.

            On the contrary, I am not against science in anyway, and I realize that the Bible is not a science book, and was never meant to be. As I have stated before, I am not completely against evolution…I am just simply not convinced yet because I don’t really study science all that in depth because it doesn’t really interest me. If I am later convinced…it changes non of my philosophical beliefs about God being the creator…and sustainer or life.

            Briefly, the philosophical argument I would attempt to build off of Feynman’s quote is that science simply acknowledges the fact that the uniformity of nature is a mystery, and the God revealed in scripture is the only solid foundation for this uniformity because of the impossibility of the contrary. Something like that….lol

        • existential blues

          > As an atheist, why do you feel so compelled to disprove to me or anyone else

          “Proof” is not the issue. You have subscribe to a belief that has no evidence to back it up. No empirical evidence at all. It is not God that is bothering me. If Christians and adherents of other such absurd belief systems would STFU, I would not even think about your imaginary god, any more than I spend time thinking about Zeus or Vishnu. Your god is no less ridiculous than those.

          I don’t care what you believe. If you want to believe the Easter Bunny story as literal truth, that’s alright by me. The problem is that people of your ilk vote, get on school boards, become judges and legislators, etc., and push their religious agenda down everyone’s throats. I don’t care if you believe in the biblical creation myth. I care a lot if you stick it into the science curriculum of public schools. You want your offspring to have their heads up their asses with respect to technological competitiveness? Fine. The problem is that you are so sure you’re right that anything goes in pushing your ideas. After all, you have God on your side, and the others are motivated by Satan, right?

          That makes you a danger to my society and culture, in a way that’s more insidious and pernicious than Muslims flying airplanes into buildings. Evangelical Christianity is a cancer, compared to the bullet to the head that radical Islam is.

          Do you know of any more capable Christians you can invite to this blog to defend your absent Gods?

          • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

            lol wait wait…let me get this straight….lol….(i’m not making fun of you…simply expressing the fact i’m laughing right now…) so…you wouldn’t care if Christians would just shut up, but since that is contrary to the entire belief system that isn’t going to happen….so basically your just using circular reasoning to point the finger at us lol….”I’d shut up if you would!”….would you? Truly? I highly doubt it….no more no more…my conversations with you are always useless and counterproductive. I may have to stick to just talking to staks. That and I have other things to do…..lawl

        • http://superconcepts.poweressence.com/ Maxwell Jennings

          Matt, you are using scientific theory to try to prove religious wishful thinking. The Big Bang is a theory, regardless of which scientist spouts it. Accepting scientific theory as fact without proof is nothing more than dogma in science. Religion doesn’t even qualify as theory. Even if the Big Bang turns out to be true, it doesn’t prove the existence of YOUR god or any god.

          • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

            umm, Scientific Theory is pretty much fact. Sorry Max, but the Big Bang is pretty well supported. Jastrow’s statement which Matt quoted is pretty solid. But a Scientific Theory is very different than “just a theory.” But you are correct Max, that still doesn’t prove God… any god, let alone the Christian God.

    • Dan

      you do realize that when these questions asked they are being asked to christians, if you are not a christian then the bible does not offer moral guidance, so whatever it may say good, or bad, need not apply.
      to you on the other hand the bible’s morality does, apparently apply, so, according to your god, is it worse to kill than it is to lie?

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

        Hmmm…a very very very small percentage of the world would say the Bible offers no moral guidance….I mean Proverbs is legit…you don’t get any wiser than that. Very straightforward wise things…the 3 major world religions are all rooted from the same place anyway…and the moral teachings are basically the same.

        • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

          While there are a handful of positive morals in the Bible, that does not follow that the Bible holds moral guidance for those who don’t believe in it any more that I get my morals from the DeVinci Code.

    • Diana

      The bible is moral! Are you out of your mind? Jesus made his cult leave their families! Great family values that. All men should leave their families and follow some crazy self obsessed bastard into the desert to watch him perform magic tricks!
      Anyway, “god” never followed his own rules, why the heck should we. He’s murdered entire nations of people including innocent babies; he’s raped a 13 year old little girl (the virgine marry…what you thought she was 25 or something, people married young back then) and then he committed suicide by allowing himself to be murdered when he could have stopped it…thats no better than jumping in front of a bus…if you believe what the bible says.
      Also, how can you believe that rubbish? It’s a 2,000 year old regional religion…meaning only people in the Middle East knew about it because They made it up. You are seriously telling me that all Chinese, all European and all Native South and North Americans went straight to hell until Christians found them and converted them (or else)…real wise and loving god that…oh, I see the morals you were talking about…”god’s” thick with them…what a shining light to follow…bla bla bla sell it to the short bus

      • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

        Woe woe woe…what is wrong with the short bus?! Those people are people too…you sick sick woman!

        All I have to say, is you should try reading some biblical commentaries by both atheists and Biblical scholars….crazy lady. :)

        • Diana…or would you treat me better if i put a man’s name here

          There’s nothings wrong with the short bus, I’m sure you have fond memories of it.:)

          Why would I want to waste my time reading commentaries about a make believe world? Giving it a large amount of my time is only giving it the importance it doesn’t deserve.

          I have better things to do with my time…like live life to the fullest because this is the only life we have. It is precious.

          Talk about getting off topic! Personal attacks get us no where and this log is about the the detrimental impact of Christianity, is it not?

          So, if a sin is a sin is a sin, hmmm. When I was young, I lived in extreme poverty and once I took food from the store…I asked a man at church if that meant I would go to hell and he said yes, it does. That very moment was the seed of doubt for me. What loving “god” would send an eight year old child to hell for stealing food?

          I love that billboard idea…put it right next to the “jesus loves you” billboard. The bible is incompatible with reality or justice. Even a child can see that.

          Keep up the good work Staks,

          • http://myspace.com/blackhawk089 Matt

            “Why would I want to waste my time reading commentaries about a make believe world?”

            Ok, so basically what your saying is that you have no problem bashing it and saying how stupid and incompatible with reality scripture is but you won’t take the time to read a well studied scholar’s commentary on it? Better yet, why do you waste your time talking to me about it since I live in a make believe world?

            If you are not willing to put anytime into studying both sides, do not argue with me about it because I am now going to ignore you because that is quite frankly one of the most ignorant things I’ve read on here in awhile.

            Why do you think I visit this blog? It helps me to get an atheistic perspective to my worldview. Because i ENJOY challenging my faith, and so far it only makes it grow deeper, I enjoy reasoning and questioning things.

            Also, I did not attack you personally, unless you think “crazy lady” is an attack…when in reality it was me being facetious.

            As for the sin is a sin is a sin thing….well, see my comments to staks.

  • http://www.myspace.com/atheistteam The A-Team

    Who’s redemption are you talking about? Nobody gets redeemed in Christianity. God just let’s those who bribe him w/ love and worship off the hook. But there is nothing in Christian mythology that suggests people are redeemed and no longer sinners anymore.

    “From your perspective, I can see why this makes sense.”
    You mean from a rational perspective. You can’t say that all sin is equal before god and god gives out get out of hell free cards for bribery while then saying that some sins are exceptions. Do you continue to have lust in your heart? Do you continue to lie occasionally? If you can get away with continuing to commit some sins and still be “saved”, then you can continue to commit all sins and still be saved. You can’t have it both ways and say all sin is the same but this sin is less the same than that sin.

    “as long as we acknowledge that the basis of right and wrong is from God then its all good.”
    I don’t acknowledge that. And given that the Euthyphro Dilemma’s been around for 2400 years, I fail to see why anyone else should either.

    “So your saying just because we’re already in the mud we might as well roll around in it? Hmmmm….I think this concept has some bad implications….dang I’m pissed at you and I’m gonna cuss you out like a lil immature 15 year old….well since I did that I might as well come to your house and beat the crap outa you…and since I did that I might as well just kill you….”
    According to your holy book, god draws NO DISTINCTION between “cussing” someone out and murdering them. That’s the whole freakin’ point of the blog. Again, you can’t have it both ways. Either all sin is treated the same or it’s treated differently.

  • http://superconcepts.poweressence.com/ Maxwell Jennings

    This redemption ace-up-the-sleeve, get-out-of-hell-free card is why some psychotically religious fuckwits justify their violence, bigotry, and controlling natures. “I do it for the love and grace of my savior!” No, you do it because you are fucking sick. While most christians are lovey-dovey during religious gatherings, many return to their self-centered, aggressive, and/or control-freaky selves out in public and in the voting booths. A retarded society lets dogma into government and policies while an evolved society keeps government and laws neutral for the benefit of everyone.

  • Dan

    The problem with all of this is that when the bible speaks of any sin being able to be washed away, it was speaking of the sins one commits before being saved, after you are saved you are supposed to stop sinning, because after all you have given up all your possesions and are following christ.
    This is the thing about the bible, it was not, i repeat, NOT, made to be read by people thousands of years later, it was specifically adressing the followers of the time, and perparing them for the time the world would end, which was before everyone hearing jesus speak died (which it says twice in matthew).

  • Dan

    That is also why Paul spoke against getting married, if the faith was too continue into generations to come then he would have encouraged such a thing, however he declared that if you must have sex it is better to get married then to burn in hell, they were all perparing for the world to end, and that is why it would be better to die than to denounce there faith, soon enough the everyone would be dead anyway.
    Religion has destroyed the message of Jesus Christ and any who call them selves christ-like should be ashamed.

  • http://www.myspace.com/agnosticanarch AgnosticAnarch

    Well written!

    So we need to make a parody anti-atheist Christian sign of the kid with a gun:
    “He told a white lie today, and to God that sin is as bad as murder. So he may as well go ahead and murder you, right? God can forgive him later.”

    • http://www.myspace.com/itsahicke Her3tiK

      You sir, are brilliant!

  • Linda

    This blogger says..”So if a sin is a sin is a sin, than why not murder and steal like crazy.”

    The point is obedience to God.
    Not what you do that is sin, but that YOU DO IT..this is the sin.
    Disobedience.
    Adam and Eve disobeyed God clear command and this is the sin they committed.
    Sin is the transgression of the law.
    The law is what God SAID.
    Sin? Be obedient is the message of the Bible and in Christ God made it possible to do what he says.
    So with all the rounds you’ve gone with Christianity and lost them all, you lost this round also.
    PS..please don’t place Catholicism as Christianity, it is not Christianity is the the apostate church reprobate.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      I don’t suffer under dictators.
      PS whether you like it or not, Catholicism is a sect of Christianity. That is a fact. So is Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses. You may not like them and you may not identify with them, but to claim they are not Christian sects is just not true.

      • Linda

        You don’t need to suffer under dictators, you suffer under yourself. You chained yourself To yourself and this is your bondage.
        Christianity has nothing to do with Catholicism.
        To be a Christian is to be a follower of Jesus Christ, to be a Catholic is to be a lover devotee of the spiritually perverted pope and a worshiper of demons.
        Christians don’t pray to dead people as do the Catholics.
        Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons are no way related to Christianity; it is that you can’t understand how they’re not.
        I do.
        My liking it or not is irrelevant to the point.
        You need to study history, but more importantly read the book of Acts to know what Christianity is. It is in no way associated with the Roman cult.
        I’m a Jew, a saved one, one who has studied the Old Testament and the New and I know who Jesus is, so do yourself a favor and repent.
        God doesn’t need you, you need him.

        • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

          That is just too funny.

  • http://flexiblesolarpanelssale.saintgeorgenow.com/ Randy Mchenry

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