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Preemptive Carpet Bombing Arguments

Yesterday, I talked about how Christians sometimes carpet bomb with arguments praying that at least one of them sticks. Today, I want to make a preemptive strike that can be used when a Christian starts their carpet bombing of piss poor arguments. Of course there are many more arguments than I can put into one blog, but these are some of the top arguments used and some pithy responses in the form on a letter:

Dear Christian,
In the beginning God did not create the universe, the Big Bang did. The evidence for this is almost as big as the universe itself. Asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what is south of the south-pole. Space and time are linked and so before space there was no time. The design you think you see in the world is actually a result of your brain looking for patterns. The only design that actually exists is that which has come from a process called natural selection. People are not perfectly designed. Our balls (which are the most vulnerable part of our body) are located outside out body in a very vulnerable location. That seems to be a very poor design. Besides, these arguments don’t even attempt to prove your god, just a god and they fail miserably at that.

I know, I know, I will be singing a different tune when I am before your God and see that he will threaten me with eternal torture for not believing in him based on no valid evidence. It is probably a good bet to just say that I believe, but Pascal’s wager really wouldn’t be able to fool your god anyway, right? Besides, can’t we make that same wager for any god? You should be a Muslim and a Buddhist too, right? I know you think you are trying to save me from this horribly unjust eternal torture. If there was a bomb in your car and I knew about it, I would do everything I could to stop you from going inside. This means that I would actually show you some evidence for the bomb. Short of that, I doubt you would believe me especially if you drove the car a 1000 miles and nothing happened and I still insisted there was a bomb inside and that it could explode any minute… no one knows the time or the day.

The fact is that we all die my Christian friend. Life isn’t Super Mario Brothers and we don’t get free lives. Do you remember what happened before you were born? I have a feeling that is exactly what it is like after you are dead. This isn’t depressing! This is pretty cool, actually. It inspires us to live full lives because we know that life is short. I still look to the future and try to make the world a better place because I have friends and family that I care about. I want to make sure that the world is a better place for them and their children and their children’s children. Besides, who really wants to live forever anyway? Eternity is a long time and you are sure to get bored after a few billion years.

Why would you believe the Bible anyway, we don’t even have the original version. Besides, it was written by people who thought that the Earth was flat and that pi was exactly three. These guys owned slaves and considered women as property and you are relying on them to give your absolute truth? The so called prophecies in the Bible are bullshit. There are no such prophecies in the Old Testament, just ask any Hebrew scholar. Most of the so called prophecies aren’t even related to a messiah.

As for morality, I don’t think the Bible is a very good guide for that. Plus, the god of the Bible is a relativist. If the Bible provides such rock solid moral grounding, then why is it that so many so called Christians disagree on what is is moral and what is not? Besides, I really don’t think that if God came down and said that rape was moral, that it would be so. I think morality is based on human empathy and human compassion much more than it is based on the God of your Bible. Thank goodness for that, right? I mean the God of the Bible doesn’t actually condemn rape, in fact in many stories God seems to actually support the practice. What a jerk, I don’t think I would worship such a god even if he did exist.
In Reason,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist

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  • Curtis

    Here’s some “education” for you “Dangerous”, since you think the majority of us Christians are uneducated in the “scientific” theories you tout….. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE SUPPORTING EVOLUTION! This was even stated by the father of the theory of evolution, and the author of Evolution of Species, himself, Charles Darwin, before he died.

    According to the theory of evolution (NOT ADAPTATION THAT YOU ALL NOW WANT TO CALL EVOLUTION), evolution of species is the mutation of one species into a different species. If the mutation is beneficial to survival, the new species survives and propagates. According the theory itself, evolution takes place over uncountable years, with many failed mutations, and with many intermediate stages of speciation. By this “law/rule” alone, there should be FAR MORE intermediate stages than end result species. Yet, never..NOT EVER… has a single intermediate stage fossil been found. NEVER. Not a single one. Yes, I know… archeopteryx….the feathered intermediate stage between dinosaurs and birds. Hmmmm… turns out that MANY dinosaurs were actually feathered, previously unknown. Also turns out that archeopteryx was not an intermediate stage at all, but instead, was just another feather dinosaur.

    According to evolution theory, the millions of years old ceolacanth should most certainly not exist anymore. Yet, sure enough, it does. It exists still today.

    Yes, I know we share some 97.?% DNA with chimpanzees. And yet we can’t mate and produce offspring. But let’s see…. chimpanzees are bipedal primate mammals. Humans are bipedal primate mammals. Chimpsanzees have 2 feet, 2 legs, 2 hips, a pelvis, a torso comprised of an abdomen, a rib cage, a sternum, a spine, a spinal cord, male or female sexual organs like ours, a bowel, large and small intestines, a stomach, liver, spleen, 2 kidneys, 2 lungs, a bronchial system, a heart. They have 2 hands and 2 arms, a neck, a head, containing all the same parts as ours, etc etc etc… suffice it to say that 97% of their bodies are similar to ours…. OF COURSE 97% OF THE DNA IS THE SAME. As a computer programmer, when I create software, if I need my new software to decode a .jpg file, I DON’T WRITE NEW CODE TO DO THE JOB! I already have code to decode a .jpg file, I just include that which I already have to do the same job that any other software already does. It might interest you to know that we share DNA with just about every single living living thing on the planet, including plant life.

    Further, if we evolved from “apes” (generalization), some hundred thousand years ago (LOOOONG after dinosaurs becamse extinct), then why are there fossilized human footprints in the same rock strata as dinosaur prints, with the dinosaur print being imprinted into the soil AFTER the human print?

    Now on the subject of God, and “faith”… Is there any evidence of God? Any evidence the bible is true? Any evidence supporting the theory of intelligent design? Well… in short… yes, actually, there is. I’ll expound:

    For years, “scientists”… real scientists, have wondered and searched for the “thing” that holds all matter together… the thing that binds all matter to all other matter. What is it. By the way, it’s not the Hyggs-Boson particle. The Hyggs-Boson is a sub-atomic partical that exists INSIDE the atom… it does not bind atoms or matter together. It comprises matter. Many of these REAL SCIENTISTS, have come to the conclusion that “light” is what holds all matter together. That light is what binds all matter in the universe together. Read Genesis. First God created the heavens (the universe) and the earth (ground, soil, dust, matter), and it was without form. Interestingly, the very next thing God created, according to the bible, was light… HE THEN FORMED THE EARTH (MATTER). While circumstantial, it is still one seriously unexplainable concept for a people who had no knowledge of particle physics, to get right. Of course it could just be chance… but that’s one hell of a coincidence.

    Further evidence of the truth of the bible. Genetically, we all descend from one man and one woman… Genetic Adam and Eve. This is not altogether that surprising, and is not of itself, evidence that the Bible is true…… BUT CONSIDER THIS NOW…. According to the Human Gnome Project, ALL of us are also descended from 1 of 3 men, starting back around the same time, and after genetic Adam and Eve. Now, what is it that interesting in that, and what about that supports the Bible? Well…. remember, after Adam and Eve, much later, according to the bible, God destroyed the world with a great flood, sparing Noah and his family…. his wife, and HIS 3 SONS and their wives. When the arc landed, what were their instructions from God? Well… Noah was too old to father more children, but his sons were commanded to go forth and repopulate the world. Interestingly, science confirms that we are all descended from just 3 people.

    At this stage, we build enough of a case, that were this a criminal case in court, it would likely be sufficient for a guilty verdict, strictly on circumstantial evidence. And I only say circumstantial, because none of us can know for sure, but at some point, with enough coincidences, it ceases to be coincidence.

    There are many more things in the bible, that have been born out in science, but to note them all here, would be too long, so with that, I’ll just say… do more research son. You are missing much of the knowledge needed to truly have a sincere, educated, discussion about it.

  • Richard Kalenka

    There is a natural cure to cancer. And Yes, it is written in Matthew 4. Jesus was able to overcome the tempting devil after Jesus FASTED for 40 days and 40 nights. When you fast, your cells recognize the decreased intake of calories, and start slowing down their normal cellular processes to conserve energy. Cancer cells are unable to slow down. Cancer cells continue to grow rapidly as they always have, but without food, a miracle happens. The cancer cells begin to die of starvation while normal cells survive. Fasting also allows the blood that would normally be hard at work digesting food in your intestines to move to other parts of your body that require healing. It’s that easy. The best solution is usually the simplest solution. Don’t think the cure to cancer must be some complicated chemical developed in a laboratory after billions of dollars of research. God would not require that. Simply fast. Jesus did. Moses did. Ghandi did. Ancient Greek philosophers did. Try it out. At the VERY worst, you’ll save money. If you’re in the late stages of cancers, you have nothing else to lose anyway.

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  • MidclassTaxpayr

    I might have known it was either an atheist trying to refute religion, or a big pharmaceutical company trying to refute homeopathy and natural science, in fear of losing the billions it and big medicine are making on the unfortunate. God forbid there should be a real remedy for the disease found anywhere but in their grip! The trouble is, the medical community is just what its name implies: the “practice” of MEDICINE. They don’t try to rid us of the CAUSE of illnesses; they MEDICATE it! If anyone comes up with a cure for all the diseases they make money on by keeping people sick, they’ll lose money, and lots of it. That’s why they’ve gone to the trouble of covering up all the cures found for cancer through the centuries. There are cures out there; they just won’t allow them to come to the surface, and if they try to raise their heads above all of big medicine’s and big pharma’s sea of lies about medicine, they’ll push them back down again with their lies about there being “no science” tied to natural cures, or their not being “regulated.” Regulated by whom? Big medicine, of course! Well, next time you see a commercial on TV about some medical “treatment” for some disease, pay close attention to the long list of side effects tied to it, or even the lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies for the damage they’ve done to some who have taken them, and then tell me which is more dangerous, medicine or homeopathy/natural remedies. I find the medical community to be more dishonest than homeopathists or those offering natural remedies.
    I’m a 72-year-old woman with a fair amount of diabetes in my family. After undergoing a procedure that showed what the cardiologist reading the results of the test called “a little plaque” at the top of my aorta, that same, top cardiologist in my city told me to see him in his office a few days later. When I did, he then tried to put me on statins against my wishes, and yelled at me, “You have PLAQUE in your arteries! Statins save LIVES, etc. etc.

    Well, I got his prescription filled just in case I needed it, but I also did my own research and found that statins do NOT help WOMEN, and that in fact, they’ve been found to cause diabetes and even liver damage in random patients, not all women. This top cardiologist pushed statins at me, despite the fact that I gave him my health history, including the diabetes.
    I have not taken his statins. Instead, I got a book by a former heart surgeon, now natural health practitioner, who has gone into all the harm statins can cause, and what really causes arterial plaque. He stated that everyone who’s reached adulthood has at least some plaque in their arteries, but that can be reduced by eating certain foods and taking certain supplements. This former surgeon, who had done thousands of heart surgeries, found the common denominator that existed in each and every surgery he’d had to do, has a natural health clinic and has facts to back up his claims, having reduced cardiovascular disease in many patients through his treatments. He also stated that it’s inflammation caused by ingesting certain foods and synthetic medicines and other substances we’re bombarded with today that cause cardiovascular disease, not cholesterol, a natural substance produced by the body. Without those unnatural substances that inflame, cholesterol would flow freely through the veins and arteries without clotting.
    We’ve been sold a bill of goods by the medical community to keep us coming back for their treatments supposedly based on “science,” that do nothing but mask symptoms while making us feel that wise to choose them rather than a natural means of treating disease, deceiving us into thinking we’re getting better under their care. Even mammography can CAUSE cancer in breast tissue after a number of repeated mammograms that increase a woman’s exposure to radiation with each dose. These exposures build up in the system; they don’t go away. There’s a safer, noninvasive means of detecting malignant lumps earlier than with mammograms, but it’s been prevented from getting much notice until recently by the monopoly that is medicine, with the comment, “This does not replace mammogram.” Of course not; the medical community won’t allow it to if it can keep it hidden. Hopefully, it will come into the full view of the vast public soon, however. Meanwhile, that will be my means of detecting breast cancer, rather than mammography.
    I’m becoming less and less confident in the medical community as I learn more and more about its deception.

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  • Gary

    Better to be an agnostic than an imprudent atheist. Since no
    one knows who or what caused the big bang only a fool would declare it was not
    by intelligent design.

    • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

      Only a fool would declare that Santa Claus didn’t cause the big bang. You weren’t there, so you don’t know he didn’t.

      Besides, you can be both an atheist and an agnostic.

      Only a fool would declare that they absolutely know their particular deity of choice caused the big bang based on absolutely no valid evidence to support such an absurd claim. Wouldn’t an intelligent person just say that we don’t know what caused the big bang, but that unicorns almost certainly were not involved?

  • dodieellen

    Wow, you find something in the holy bible that cures cancer and you’re selling it for how much..??…God forgive you for using his word to try to get rich off your books………..You are talking about the fact that cancer cells use glycogen to feed themselves..All the protocols for that are already on you tube…You ought to be ashamed for swindling people…

    • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

      Clearly you haven’t read this blog post. I am EXPOSING someone for doing the very thing you are criticizing me of doing. For the record, God is imaginary; you are still being swindled. Religion is a scam.

      • dodieellen

        Then I apologize..Clearly I didn’t read it in it’s entirety, However, I am a Christian, and no amount of your argument to the contrary will change my mind…..I wish you hope..

        • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

          No amount of argument will change your mind? That seems pretty closed minded. I have a hard time believing that you are the time of person who doesn’t care about the truth. For, I can be convinced very easily that God exists. All someone would have to do is to produce some valid evidence. My first duty is to the truth and I will follow the evidence where ever it leads. I would hope that you would be the same way.

          • dodieellen

            Ultimately, what matters is believing in something, or someone that gives you hope and peace in a dying world…It wouldn’t benefit you to believe my argument, because you find no peace in believing something that you have no faith in….I would find no peace in what you believe, as I only have peace with what I believe to be truth…..I don’t agree with Christians name calling, and trying to force their belief on others, nor do I think Atheists should argue the point with believers…Back to topic, It would make no difference if their was a God or not in respect to the man who is trying to swindle poor innocent people who are struggling with cancer, and fighting for their lives every day….A true believer in his faith wouldn’t even begin to try and sell anything they found in the bible….I surely can’t argue the point with you on this..

            • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

              The guy is able to swindle people successfully because there are people who believe it is true. Those people will give him all their money because they believe he found a hidden code in the Bible. They will also not seek real medical treatment because they have faith in this false cure. So here, now knowing the truth does a great deal of harm.

              If someone were to believe that 1+1=5, would you try to convince them that they are wrong and that the answer is really 2? I believe religious believers are wrong when they claim that a god exists and that their holy book is true. I also believe that they are dangerously wrong on these things. These false beliefs cause actual harm to themselves, those around them, and to society in general.

              You would be hard pressed to find an atheist who actively prevents gays from having rights or who actively opposes global climate change. These are real harms that the false belief in a deity causes.

  • Christina Barr

    The person who wrote that book is NOT a Christian! He is using our faith to trick us into believe his fake cures work! You obviously know NOTHING about the Bible or Christianity. Christians would NEVER use the Bible or Christianity to defraud people!! Now atheist(sort of like YOU) WOULD do that!!!

    • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

      The whole religion is a fraud!!!

    • Tim Tian

      Mmm, yes, that’s a delicious No True Scotsman.

  • K Sean Proudler

    The cure WORKS.

    Once you have completed the 40 day 40 night fasting, you end up dead, thus the cancer lives no longer. The only problem is that, you too, are dead. A minor set back.

    As far as Bible Codes go, it has revealed that most people are absolute idiots.

    Some people believe that the current Bible Codes are real, and others believe that the current Bible Codes are nothing but pure trash. Thus in both cases, such people have chosen to be absolute idiots. Neither of them has bothered to look at the truth. Instead, their decisions are based upon an act of either believing or disbelieving. They should be very embarrassed.

    For instance, these Bible codes are not based upon (E)quidistant (L)etter (S)equencing, despite those that support it, or reject it, are saying that it is. The ELS function is only a minor component of the Bible Code Language itself. The rest of this pathetic Bible code language is absolute trash, and is so to such a degree that it allows you to claim to have found anything you have ever wanted to find, even though it is all a scam.

    But it gets even worse. If you failed in attempting to speak German, that does not immediately mean, that you can’t speak any language at all. However, when it came to the point that one Bible Code Language, the language that had become so popular, was defined as being pure trash by professors, scientists, mathematicians, etc., it was immediately concluded that the “Bible Code Phenomena” does not exist.

    Thus by rejecting one possible Bible Code Language, of a many possible Bible Code Languages, it was immediately concluded, without a shadow of doubt, that all other Bible Code Languages were trash as well.

    After making such a bloody stupid mistake, they then proceeded onward to label this one code language as the ELS code language, even though the ELS function was only a minor component of this Bible Code Language itself. Now all the idiots of the world assumed that any code language that uses the ELS function, is pure trash. They should be very embarrassed.

    Go to http://goo.gl/38qhp and click on the yellow flashing words “Watch / Listen”.

    If you think that this stuff, the real stuff, is pure trash, then ………

  • Glade Goding

    This author is a complete moron with unethical statements making claims he could not possible prove. Oh, the ignorance of atheist!! If you dont believe in God then why read or write about it. Nobody cares about your ridiculous views. Move on basher! Get a life!

    • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk
      • Glade Goding
      • Glade Goding
      • Guest

        I like how you keep getting my reply removed. I will just write it instead of a video.

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha, hahahahahahahhahahaha

        Oh , your serious!

        • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

          I didn’t remove your reply. Harry Potter most have done it. ;-)

      • Guest

        fwerwe

      • Glade Goding

        I like how you keep getting my reply removed. I will just write it instead of a video. Answer to your link.

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha, hahahahahahahhahahaha

        Oh , your serious!

        However, I do agree that the author of this book is a total scumbag trying to use religion and made up fake bible code to sell his bullsh%$%$%$T!!!

        His ad video is a joke!!! not to mention irritating! So Dangerous talk we can agree on something! However, the author of this stupid article should have just stuck to bashing the author of this book and how he hijacked the bible to sell useless supplements. Bashing God and the bible was a stupid angle to ridicule this author. Thoughtless and clueless!

        • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

          Again, I didn’t remove your reply. Second, How can you know that the author of this book is making this stuff up? How can you determine that? Shouldn’t you just have faith that he is telling the truth and that if you send him $72 a month he can cure your cancer? Or will you rely on science to help you the truth value of his claim?

      • Guest

        I have posted an answer here 3 times and it has been removed 3 times hummmmmmm will it be 4 times??? Your link is ridiculous! I cant believe you would seriously post that link as your answer. Really! Your hopeless! Maybe you can flag this post too. Sad! I gave you 3 good answers to your link and removed. Must be science at work!

        • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

          More likely user error. Of course it could be Satan, lol.

        • http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk Dangerous Talk

          I should add that I do have a comment policy you can look at (link at the top of the page) but I am the only human moderator and I did not remove your comment. Disqus has a bot that does auto-moderation for spam and your comment might have fallen in there. I will certainly check.

      • Glade Goding

        I have posted an answer here 3 times and it has been removed 3 times hummmmmmm will it be 4 times??? Your link is ridiculous! I cant believe you would seriously post that link as your answer. Really! Your hopeless! Maybe you can flag this post too. Sad! I gave you 3 good answers to your link and removed. Must be science at work!

        However, I do agree on one aspect of your article. This guy is a joke! Writing a book to sell useless supplements and using the bible in some sick attempt to make it look like some mysterious bible code.
        Even more painful is his ad video!!! After a minute, your like get to the point already!!!! it just goes on and on with more dribble! It’s criminal!

      • Glade Goding

        My comment has been removed again. sorry cant reply. The power to be are preventing it.