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Homosexual Loophole in the Bible

Fundamentalist Christians love to talk about how homosexual behavior is an “abomination.” They are always talking about how God loves everyone, but hates that gay people engage in gayness. It is the whole “love the sinner, hate the sin” thing which just seems to look a lot like hating the sinner in most of these cases.

Well, I decided the other day to take a closer look at some of these passages in the Bible in which God talks about the “abomination” of gayness. Guess what I found? I found a loophole. But before I get to that, let’s look at the passages.

The first passage I am going to look at is one of the most quoted by anti-gay Christians. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” – Leviticus 18:22. That is pretty straight forward right? Clearly the Bible says it is an abomination and abominations are not good things. But what exactly is the abomination here and what does this passage not say.

Let’s first look at what this passage doesn’t say. It doesn’t say that womankind shalt not lie with womankind. So from this passage, it seems that lesbianism is okay with God (or at least God doesn’t say anything about it here).

Now for the loophole; what exactly does this passage claim “we shalt not do?” I think the key word here is “lie.” In other words, gay men can have gay sex as long as they aren’t lying down. So sex standing up wouldn’t be an abomination. Backdoor Doggie style should be okay with God too.

But let’s look at a little further at the Bible and see if God talks more about homosexuality. Well, we don’t have to go too far, because in Leviticus 20:13 the Bible says, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.” Wow, not only does this passage also focus on the lying down of the men with each other, it also says that those who do lie down with other men should be put to death. Those are some mighty strong words coming from the Creator of the Universe, Lord of mankind. It kind of makes me wonder why I don’t see Jews and Christians do what many Muslims do and go out killing gay people (or at least the gay men who lie down with their partners). This verse is pretty clear that those who commit this abomination “shall be put to death.” I don’t think lobbying against Gay Marriage really is fulfilling the full letter of God’s Law, do you?

But just to show the ridiculousness of this passage, all we really have to do in go a little bit further back and see that God prescribes death for other things too. In Leviticus 20:9, God has this to say, “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood [shall be] upon him.” So how many Christians would put to death a child who curses his or her parents? Why not? It is in the Bible. If you have the slightest tiny bit of moral sense, you would not kill a child who curses his or her parents as God has commanded. Some Christians have told me that that passage is part of the “Old Covenant” and so it isn’t valid any more. Yet those same Christians still think homosexuality is an abomination despite the fact that the main passage against it is only a few lines further away.

This is where fundamentalist believers pull out the New Testament. In Romans 1: 26-27, the Apostle Paul writes, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” But let us be clear about this. This is Paul’s opinion and not the words of the Creator of the Universe. For those of you who didn’t know, the Apostle Paul was terribly sexually frustrated. He really has a bug up his ass (no pun intended) about all sexual behavior. This is what he said in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 “I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.”

Paul seems to be a virgin and he seems to be of the opinion that everyone ought to be a virgin too. But if you don’t have the will power to resist your urges for sex as he does, than he thinks that you should marry so that you can satisfy your urges without the risk of eternal torture in Hell. You know what? That might even be a strong Biblical argument in favor of gay marriage.

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  • http://Godlessblogger.com godlessblogger

    Excellent article. I admire your writing abilities. I just fail to posses the ability to write more than three paragraphs. You brought up some great points though and I learned some new arguments. I’ll be sure to try them out in my next debate. :)

  • Mr. X

    The YouTube user, “DPRJones”, posted an excellent video entitled “Bible Thumpers – Admit It – You are Homophobic Bigots”.

    The gist of his argument was that The Bible contains more passages condoning slavery, than it does passages denouncing homosexuality. Therefore, anyone who denounces homosexuality on Biblical grounds, without also promoting slavery, is a hypocrite.

    Q: Why didn’t I just post a link to this video?

    A: Because YouTube is a crap-tastic webpage, run by d*****bags who capitulate to the tender PC sensitivities of religious f***tards at every opportunity, by censoring channels that promote free thought, no matter how inoffensive or well-reasoned.

    In other words, I checked just now, and “DPRJones” has had his channel suspended again, since the last time I checked.

    His page will probably be up again sooner or later, and I urge everyone to check it out.

  • Weena

    I guess God dont mind gayness, as long as it’s two hot chicks getting it on!

    • ProgRockGirl

      I always suspected God was one of those annoying “can I watch” guys…

  • ProgRockGirl

    For a guy who lies with mankind, he probably won’t be lying with mankind as he does with womankind, b/c if he’s gay he probably doesn’t lie with women at all! (And if he’s bi…there probably are still some variations in how he lies down with different sexes)

    Weren’t there a lot of rules about not spilling sperm in vain, or something like that? Like the people in the Old Testament were trying to raise their population? Women don’t have that problem.

    • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

      “Weren’t there a lot of rules about not spilling sperm in vain, or something like that? Like the people in the Old Testament were trying to raise their population?”

      I think this explains alot. Perhaps the writers of the bible wanted Israel to reproduce more quickly so that they could have the numbers to fight off invaders like the Persians and Romans. So to accomplishing this, they wanted to make rules to optimize reproduction. So the bible is saying: don’t lie with a man, lie with a woman so that you might reproduce; don’t spill your seed in vein, spill it into a woman. So this could be what the bible was trying to say. But nowadays, that logic need not apply because the world has 5 billion people and in most nations filled with Christianity, there are healthy populations already existent and the world does not need to think about overpopulating yet.

      • http://myspace.com/misstea43 Miss Tea

        Yes! Very much so.

        Except it was not just the Israelites who suffered from this problem. It was all of the ancient world, in fact, right up until modern times. People did not have the life expectancy we do now. Nor modern medicine to cure many ailments that took them at a young age. Prenatal care. Infant care. Many women were lost in childbirth. Many infants and children did not survive long. Children were needed to help with the family work.

        I’m glad you’re saying “Fundamentalist Christians.” Everyone else knows the Bible is not the word of Gof. Indeed, what kind of monstrous God would command such things…..

        Leviticus is this. It was written during the period of Babylonian exile. The conquerors expected the usual outcome. The enemy race and religion would be vanquished by way of intermarriage, dilution of practices, and assimilation.

        However, the religious leaders were determined not to allow this to happen. They came up with these very strict rules, all designed to keep them separate from the Babylonians. The strict kosher rules meant they could not eat at Babylonian neighbors’ homes. Sharing meals is extremely instrumental in socialization. Homosexuality – either this was seen as a practice among Babylonians or it was just a reflection of the leaders’ prejudices.

        As you can see, the leaders’ strategy worked. This small group of people has managed to survive down through the ages.

        Quite right, too, that they make so very much about these passages. As well as the “be fruitful and multiply.”

        But you see, this is not a group of truly religious people running even this Fundamentalist show. It’s a bunch of homophobes and anti-abortionists who havew latched on to this organization(s) and that tail is now wagging the dog.

        It’s pitiful also, because there’s no reasoning with those people. There are some people you just can’t change. You just have to outvote them.

        • http://myspace.com/misstea43 Miss Tea

          I meant, by makig so much of these passages, I meant that it is illogical to do so. If one is going to insist that every word of the Bible is the word of God and must be obeyed, there’s an almost endless number of antiquated ideas one wd have to subscribe to.

  • http://www.myspace.com/iammyownsalvation2 Aberrant Iconoclast

    It’s impossible for mankind to lie down with another man like he does with womankind…or however they have that phrased. Mankind and womankind have different parts…perhaps this was a passage against transsexuals? ;)

  • Nick

    Alright first off, some background. I regularly attend church because of my parents. I don’t believe in the God of the Bible, or that the Bible is divine word. However, I am passively against homosexuality.

    Now I’d like to say that the old testament passage you referenced in Leviticus is not to be taken the way you interpretted it. The English would ‘lie’ in that translation is equivilent to the Hebrew word for sex. It is not a literal ‘lie.’ However, all of your other points (including the one about lesbianism references in that passage) are pretty much valid. I skimmed through most of the rest.

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      Why do you hate gays?

  • Rem Koolhaus

    Bitter cynical equivocation, using typical staid ad hominem argument. If you don’t believe in the word, then you have no authority to interpret it, so don’t worry about it. However if you think there is authority in the Word, know this: The day of reckoning will be sad indeed for those who deal with levity and careless insensitivity the things uttered before the creation of the world.

    • http://www.myspace.com/DD_NU4EVER Diana

      First off, “Bitter” “Cynical” you say? I think not. We’re free! Truly free…there’s nothing cynical or bitter about that.

      Secondly, Staks has every authority to look at the writing compilations you call a bible with a critical mind.

      Thirdly…and just for fun….If you think there’s authority in those words, know this: the day of enlightenment will be sad indeed for those who deal with self righteous, self centered thinking and live their hateful lives by the pitiful writings about an ancient deity

      Go away crazy person

    • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

      “Bitter cynical equivocation, using typical staid ad hominem argument. If you don’t believe in the word, then you have no authority to interpret it”

      So we have to believe in God to interpret the bible. However, there is no evidence of God except the bible. The bible is the word of God because God says so. But if we can’t interpret the bible how the hell are we supposed to make sense of it? Many of us atheists were people that read the bible and then later after seeing the errors of it, rejected it. The whole thing about having authority to interpret it is the most arrogant arguments produced by Christians yet. And why do you feel the need to layer your statements in difficult vocabulary instead of layman’s terms? Is it to sound smart or to distort an irrational argument to make it look rational?

      “However if you think there is authority in the Word, know this: The day of reckoning will be sad indeed for those who deal with levity and careless insensitivity the things uttered before the creation of the world.”

      You speak of fire and brimstone. But how can you be so certain of your fate? The bible says to stone your children if they are disobedient and to sell all your possessions. Have you done that? You haven’t!? Well, I guess I will see you in hell as well then!

  • Teg

    One other loophole: anybody who knows anything about the “Pauline epistles” should know that they’re not all written by the same guy. The ones that most scholars (that’s scholars, not fundies) are pretty sure were written by Paul are Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, Philemon, & 1 Thessalonians; Titus, 2 Thessalonians, and 1 & 2 Timothy, OTOH, are pretty widely acknowledged to be pseudepigraphic, and there’s a lack of consensus on Ephesians and Colossians.