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Playing the ‘Offended’ Card

While the holiday season is fresh in my mind, I wanted to talk about yet another aspect of Christian hypocrisy. During the holiday season, fundamentalist Christians often yell at the top of their lungs that if atheists are offended by Christmas crap, that’s too bad. O’Reilly friends have are happy to inform us that the Constitution doesn’t protect people from being offended.

Personally, I totally agree with O’Reilly and friends on this. In general, I am not really offended by Christmas crap (just disappointed). In some cases however there is a Constitutional issue but that is not what I want to discuss here. The issue that I want to discuss today is O’Reilly and other fundamentalists complete opposite view during the rest of the year.

It seems to me that in America the number one group of people who seem to be constantly offended and who play the “offended” card the most tend to be fundamentalist religious people (usually Christians). Whether it is radio, television, movies, or print media, Christian groups are constantly setting up letter writing campaigns and call-in campaigns to program sponsors and the FCC because they are offended.

The fact is that we choose what offends us. That being the case, maybe atheists and people of reason should choose to be offended by stuff too. For example, most Christians (fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists alike) tend to wear a symbolic torture device around their necks. Sometimes even with a mostly naked guy being tortured right on it. Now sure, I understand what this symbolizes to most Christians, but do you know what it symbolizes to me?

I see the Christian Crucifix as a symbol of intolerance. The Christian view is that if you don’t believe in Jesus you will be tortured for all eternity in Hell. I find that offensive. Do you know what else I find offensive? Have you every watch the 700 Club or Fox News? What about all the wacky religious radio shows, the televangelists, and church sermons which are hateful to gays and non-Christians? I find a lot of that stuff offensive.

So let’s write to the FCC and let them know that we find these threats of eternal damnation are offensive and hateful. Maybe instead of cracking down on curse words and baring a little skin, there bureaucrats will start knocking down church doors with fines of millions of dollars and the American people can get al least some of our tax exempt church back.

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  • John

    If you find the crucifix to be a symbol of intolerance than it is only a symbol of your own intolerance. The cross is a symbol of suffering and sacrifice made on your behalf. Not because you deserve it, but quite the contrary, because you don’t deserve it.

    Then again if you’re too stupid to recognize the distinction between taking offense over rampant immorality on broadcast television and feigning offense over the possibility of anyone putting up a religious symbol in public, then I’m probably just wasting my time.

    • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

      “The cross is a symbol of suffering and sacrifice made on your behalf.”

      God is imaginary so this sacrifice never happened. Besides, God knows the future so we have no free will anyways, thus some of us are born to go to heaven but most of us are born to be damned.

      “Then again if you’re too stupid to recognize the distinction between taking offense over rampant immorality on broadcast television”

      Curse words and nudity is not immorality if your God doesn’t exist, which he doesn’t.

      “feigning offense over the possibility of anyone putting up a religious symbol in public”

      Well, you Christians played the offended card when atheists even mention anything atheist related, so why not? Two can play the offended game.

      “then I’m probably just wasting my time.”

      You are wasting your time because God is imaginary.

      • John

        Scott, my favorite liar! It’s good to hear from you. Where to start? If God is imaginary, how can he know the future? That’s the problem when you tell lies Scott, you have to keep them all in your head so you remember what you’re supposed to tell people.

        I fear I don’t follow your logic that the absence of the existence of God would nullify immorality, but we both know that you don’t really believe God doesn’t exist. It’s just another lie you tell yourself so you don’t have to feel bad for your transgressions.

        FWIW I don’t play the offended card when atheists mention anything atheism related (might not be a bad idea to study grammar sometime.) Point of fact, I don’t even have an offended card. I actually find you to be a pathetic figure. Happy New Year!

        • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

          Lies, what lies? Can you tell me where I have ever lied?

          “If God is imaginary, how can he know the future? ”

          Assuming he was real, there would be that issue of free will because he knows the future. However, he is not real so thus he is imaginary. Is that concept too hard for you to grasp?

          “That’s the problem when you tell lies Scott, you have to keep them all in your head so you remember what you’re supposed to tell people.”

          This is such idiocy, I don’t memorize lies.

          “I fear I don’t follow your logic that the absence of the existence of God would nullify immorality, but we both know that you don’t really believe God doesn’t exist.”

          This is what you liked to think. Us atheists do not fear God. If we feared God we wouldn’t be denying his existence. The morality in the bible was created by the bronze age people who wrote the book.

          Also, if one needs a vengeful God to make them be moral, then they are pretty pathetic. Morals exist because they maintain the stability of society, not because we want to please a God. Certain morals in the bible don’t make sense in today;s society so things like nudity and profanity shouldn’t matter.

          “It’s just another lie you tell yourself so you don’t have to feel bad for your transgressions.”

          The only people lying to themselves are ones that are so afraid of death that they have to justify worshiping a sadistic deity. I’m actually part of the crowd that is not lying to themselves and accepts the nothingness of death as the truth.

          “FWIW I don’t play the offended card when atheists mention anything atheism related (might not be a bad idea to study grammar sometime.) Point of fact, I don’t even have an offended card.”

          What grammar? And if you weren’t offended, you wouldn’t be trolling this blog.

          “I actually find you to be a pathetic figure. ”

          I’m pathetic?! Let’s see here. Within these debates, I have avoided resorting to name calling for the most part while you have told me I was a liar, evil, pathetic, an imbecile, and you tried to pull the grammar card.

          This is what religion does to people. It makes people like you think you are superior because you believe that you are one of God’s chosen. You gain arrogance because of how ignorant and enslaved you are by your religion. Kings of times past loved that a cult of ignorance existed and used it to control their people. It made people happy to be peasants or slaves.

          Your entire post to me had no substance. It was just name calling and a few poorly thought out points that do not stand after applying logic to them. But because you are part of a culture of ignorance, you probably haven’t had much practice using logic. The bible condemns learning and wisdom for it might result in people questioning the book.

          “Happy New Year!”

          Yeah, don’t fool yourself into thinking you are some just nice person, because you aren’t.

          • John

            “Lies, what lies? Can you tell me where I have ever lied?”
            To be sure it would take much less time to tell you where you have ever not lied. Even here in your response you layer on even more lies.

            For example here’s a lie:
            “Assuming he was real, there would be that issue of free will because he knows the future. However, he is not real so thus he is imaginary. Is that concept too hard for you to grasp?”
            No it’s not hard for me to grasp at all but it’s obvious that it’s impossible for your simian intellect to grasp it.

            Here’s another lie:
            “The only people lying to themselves are ones that are so afraid of death that they have to justify worshiping a sadistic deity. I’m actually part of the crowd that is not lying to themselves and accepts the nothingness of death as the truth.”
            Laying it on a little thick aren’t we? This is just too deranged to even justify a response as that would imply that there was even a modicum of worth to what you just said.

            And another:
            “What grammar? And if you weren’t offended, you wouldn’t be trolling this blog”
            Apparently you’re unable to draw the distinction between atheism and atheist. It’s all good. And no, I’m not offended, merely mildly amused.

            And yet another:
            “I’m pathetic?! Let’s see here. Within these debates, I have avoided resorting to name calling for the most part while you have told me I was a liar, evil, pathetic, an imbecile, and you tried to pull the grammar card.”
            You should have avoided harder.

            But you weren’t through lying yet:
            “This is what religion does to people. It makes people like you think you are superior because you believe that you are one of God’s chosen. You gain arrogance because of how ignorant and enslaved you are by your religion. Kings of times past loved that a cult of ignorance existed and used it to control their people. It made people happy to be peasants or slaves.”
            I don’t feel superior to you because I’m chosen or annointed. I feel superior to you because I’m not deranged. You’re the one who enslaved by his religion. You can’t imagine how much it cracks me up to hear you call someone else arrogant.

            And still more lies:
            “Your entire post to me had no substance. It was just name calling and a few poorly thought out points that do not stand after applying logic to them. But because you are part of a culture of ignorance, you probably haven’t had much practice using logic. The bible condemns learning and wisdom for it might result in people questioning the book.”
            Actually Scott, I think you may have the Bible confused with the Koran. It cracks me up to hear your weak psychological projection about being part of a culture of ignorance.

            And no, I don’t fool myself that I’m a nice person. But don’t fool yourself either.

            • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

              Apparently you don’t know what lying really is then.

              You have proven yourself to be nothing but a troll. You aren’t here for any reason to but piss atheists off. You are so utterly convinced that atheists are evil that you somehow ignore our arguments and call us evil instead.

              You will probably never get a serious response from me again because you are either trolling or so deluded that it isn’t worth anymore effort to argue with you.

              • John

                Scott if you ever were to post a serious reply it would be the first time. But I’m not the one who’s deluded, you are. Take care,

    • http://www.dangeroustalk.net Staks

      John, you just said that to YOU the crucifix symbolizes that I don’t deserve… I’m guessing redemption… for something I don’t even think I did to a being that I don’t even believe exists. That is offensive. You are telling me that I deserve to be tortured for all eternity just because I exist. You can’t see any reason why someone might find that offensive? Really?

      Second, I don’t even think you understand what real morality is. I certainly don’t think adults taking their clothes off is immoral. Nor do I think saying certain words like “fuck” or “shit” is immoral. So I guess you are wasting your time.

      • John

        Alas Staks you have me. Don’t feel bad about not deserving redemption, after all neither do I. As St Paul wrote “‘Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners’—and I am the worst of them all.” For you see, you no more deserve to be tortured for all of eternity than I do. If you choose to take offense at that, I lament there is little I can do.

        As to your second point, you are trying to confuse the issue. There is of course a time and a place for everything. All adults must take their clothes off to bath or shower for example, but that doesn’t mean that removing one clothes in public is a reasonable and moral thing to do. Even the use of the Anglo-Saxon words that you cite above is not of itself immoral, it is rather the use of those words with the intention to shock and offend and make those around you uncomfortable that is immoral.

        • qwertyuiop

          All adults must take their clothes off to bath or shower for example, but that doesn’t mean that removing one clothes in public is a reasonable and moral thing to do

          it is rather the use of those words with the intention to shock and offend and make those around you uncomfortable that is immoral.

          Both of these things are only “shocking” because of religion being ingrained into our society’s consciousness for thousands of years. Even for non-religious people.

          More and more words are being allowed to be said in the media, but it’s still not happening fast enough. We still get those irritating beeps and silences. A word is simply a sequence of vibrations of our vocal chords. How can that be offensive?

          If I say, in a sweet and loving tone of voice that I loved someone and I used the F word, I’d get censored and/or fined.

          If I’m a preacher on TV and stir up hatred against different groups, I’d be okay as long as I use clean words and keep my clothes on. In fact, people would throw money at me.

          All those so-called bad words have the same meaning as other words that are spoken all the time.

          Never mind all the horrible violence. That’s all good.

          We throw a fit and act like the world is ending if anyone shows some “forbidden skin” or vibrates their vocal cords a certain way.

          Quite telling where religion’s priorities are, don’t you think?

          Violence = hateful, hurtful, causes death and keeps people controlled through fear. That’s definitely good for religion.

          Sex = pleasureful, soothing, loving, makes people feel happy and free. According to religion, that is bad.

          Language = whatever vocal vibrations we deem bad… i don’t see where this falls in to be honest.

          It’s time to grow up, humanity. I bet aliens would laugh at us if they came to Earth.

          • John

            “Both of these things are only “shocking” because of religion being ingrained into our society’s consciousness for thousands of years. Even for non-religious people”
            No they’re shocking because they’re meant to be shocking don’t try to obfuscate the issue.

            You’re next two paragraphs were so deranged and counterfactual as to bely any need to refute. But the only person I see stirring up hate is you, and of course Scott.

            I’ve already explained, those bad words, are only considered bad because they’re Anglo-Saxon words. The Norman words like defecate and fornicate are much less crude. Do try to keep up in the rare instances where I agree with you.

            You wouldn’t know religions’ priorities if they jumped out in front of you and flashed you while screaming obscene Anglo-Saxon words. You just want to spout your hateful nonsense. Only an idiot would think religions think sex is bad or violence is good.

            I hope the aliens do laugh at us, it’ll make it that much more surprising to them when we shoot them in the head.

            • qwertyuiop

              I do know religion’s priorities because I somewhat follow the news.

              and I see it in our everyday society.
              Violence? All over the TV! Movies, cartoons, games, you name it.
              F-word on TV or radio? Not good.
              Show nudity on TV? HUGE FUCKING OUTRAGE!

              Words are still simply groupings of letters and a sequence of vibrations by people’s vocal cords. You fail to give any rational reason as to why that is in any way offensive other than people being conditioned and programmed to hate it.

              A baby fresh out of the womb does not automatically hate nudity, sex, or language, or anything, in ANY context or situation. They are TAUGHT to hate it by their parents and the people around them.

              A nude body, or a word, is not harmful in and of itself. It’s a person’s reaction to it, based on their upbringing. If you can’t understand that, I’m sorry, but you’re a fucking moron.

              I don’t expect religitards to understand anything I’m saying since it’s not in the Bible. Last I checked.

              BTW, I love how you say that those who disagree with your stupidity are the ones spreading hate. Sorry, but you ain’t turning the tables around that easily.

              I hope the aliens do laugh at us, it’ll make it that much more surprising to them when we shoot them in the head.

              This statement is particularly telling of religion’s attitudes towards anyone who is different. Be like us, or die. Maybe you should have lived centuries ago and you’d actually be allowed to do it.

              • John

                “I do know religion’s priorities because I somewhat follow the news.”
                That’s your first mistake, never watch the news. Those guys never get anything right.

                “Words are still simply groupings of letters and a sequence of vibrations by people’s vocal cords.”
                Are you deranged? Words are the medium through which all vocal and written communication is achieved. Words have meaning, and it is through that meaning communication takes place. Are you even paying attention? THE WORDS ARE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE DERIVED FROM THE ANGLO-SAXON LANGUAGE. Do try to keep up, that’s the 3rd time I’ve had to say it and it’s not that hard to grasp.

                Where have I ever said that a nude body is harmful in itself you imbecile? As I’ve noted there is a time and a place for everything. Just because you’re too stupid to understand what I’m saying is no reason to call me a fornicating moron. I understand everything you’re saying. You’re just wrong and apparently too stupid to realize why.

                Regarding the alien statement: 1) It was a joke. 2) Even if it wasn’t a joke it represents my own opinion and no one else’s let alone any religion’s. 3) People who lived centuries ago wouldn’t have been able to shoot aliens because a- They never met any aliens and b- they didn’t have guns that could deliver fire with accuracy over a long distance in any significant numbers until the mid to early18th century.

                Don’t be so upset, it’s not my fault you’re wrong.

            • qwertyuiop

              No they’re shocking because they’re meant to be shocking don’t try to obfuscate the issue.

              Lets say I come from a planet where waving at a person is meant to be shocking and offensive. It wouldn’t work on Earth would it? Unless the people around me were brought up to believe that waving is shocking.

              • John

                Okay, if you came from a planet where waving is meant to be shocking and offensive, how did you get here? And why would you want to come to a world where the most common nonverbal greeting is waving? What exactly are you trying to get at here? I thought we were being laughed at by the aliens, not being waved at?

    • PRG

      Calling people stupid–how Christian!

      I don’t really get offended at religious symbols. I do get offended by religious people (of all religions, not just Christianity) trying to impose their religion, their psuedoscience, and their psuedo-morality, on the general public, even if it means ignoring scientific advancement, giving inferior education, and discriminating against people that religions don’t like. If we let religions have their way we would revert back into the dark ages, and last time that happened it took a millennium to get out of.

      No one is holding a gun to your head to make you watch TV, so if you’re offended, how about turning it off?

      • John

        ROTFLMAO! I’m sorry, but there’s nothing more amusing than an ignorant non-Christian trying to sanctimoniously declare what is and is not Christian.

        I do concur vehemently. I to take offense against those who seek to ignore all of the scientific advancements of the last two millennia that came about as a direct result of the Christian philosophy and way of life. As doing so does inevitably result in an inferior education.

        Thanks for the advice, I do so rarely watch TV these that I recently over the holidays found myself complete unable to locate the power button on one of those new flat-panel TV’s at my in-laws house. After all, if you never turn it on in the first place, you don’t really need to know how to turn it off. Good to meet you.

      • Michelle

        I agree 100%

  • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

    “The fact is that we choose what offends us. That being the case, maybe atheists and people of reason should choose to be offended by stuff too.”

    I played an offended card on facebook last night:

    Someone was talking about how great the North Dakota community is and mentioned signs that appeared at a cafe. One was:

    “if man evolved from gorillas and apes, why are there still gorillas and apes?”

    Of course, ignorance offends me so I responded to this facebook status with:

    “Because chimps are closed canopy forest apes, gorillas are open canopy forest apes, and humans were originally the grassland/savanna apes until we learned technology and conquered the world. Also, we shared a common ancestor (we didn’t necessarily come from the species… See More around today) until the biome/cover types diverged it into several species over time. And yes, we are one of the five great apes if one was to compare structural biology, we would fit right in with the others.”

    And nobody has said a damn thing back to me because they have been thoroughly owned. I mostly fight for science and the conversion to atheism is only a side benefit that comes with the new knowledge. Of course I try not to piss the other party off. This person was a friend of mine back in college but I will correct ignorance if necessary.

  • John

    Wow, I don’t suppose it ever occurred to you that no one responded because to them it was just a big joke and you’d just gone and squashed it by taking it too seriously?

    I fear H.L. Mencken may have been mistaken when he associated Puritanism with “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

    • http://myspace.com/scott888 Scott

      Well, a joke like that is not funny, but truly ignorant and insults all the advances in knowledge that our species stands for.