{"id":2900,"date":"2012-04-26T08:41:14","date_gmt":"2012-04-26T13:41:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=2900"},"modified":"2012-04-26T08:41:14","modified_gmt":"2012-04-26T13:41:14","slug":"labels-and-substance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=2900","title":{"rendered":"Labels and Substance"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday Hemant Mehta of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2012\/04\/25\/when-did-neil-degrasse-tyson-start-using-the-arguments-of-christian-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\">Friendly Atheist took issue with comments<\/a> made by physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson in relation to atheism. In a video by BigThink, Tyson attempts to distance himself from atheism. Here\u2019s the video:<br \/>\n<object width=\"430\" height=\"248\" classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/CzSMC5rWvos?version=3&amp;hl=en_US\" \/><param name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\" \/><embed width=\"430\" height=\"248\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/CzSMC5rWvos?version=3&amp;hl=en_US\" allowFullScreen=\"true\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" \/><\/object><br \/>\nWhile I wouldn\u2019t call myself a \u201cmilitant atheist\u201d because I don\u2019t own any guns or advocate violence (the way militant Christians and Muslims do), I am a pretty vocal atheist. So much so, that one would be hard pressed to claim that I was soft on religion. But here I have a disagreement with Hemant.<\/p>\n<p>Tyson here is making the same kind of argument that Sam Harris made at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ODz7kRS2XPs\" target=\"_blank\">AAI convention<\/a> a number of years ago. I find this type of argument quite compelling; almost enough to get me to stop using the label altogether&#8230; almost.<\/p>\n<p>But at the end of the day, I would rather have people take both approaches. People like me and Hemant who are vocal about our non-belief and who seek to form a community around our atheism and people like Harris and Tyson who don&#8217;t want to be lumped in with Stalin every five seconds. I will still label Tyson an atheist because at the end of the day, he still doesn&#8217;t believe in any deities any more than I do. But I respect that he doesn&#8217;t want to be part of a united front in this culture war, but instead wants to go it alone and who is willing to fight battles on his own terms and without the baggage that the label &#8220;atheism\u201d carries.<\/p>\n<p>At the end of the day, the substance of Tyson\u2019s position is the same as my position. So I really don\u2019t care what label he uses. As a point of fact however, Tyson is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/article\/religion-101-what-is-the-difference-between-atheism-and-agnosticism\" target=\"_blank\">wrong in his usage of the terms<\/a>, but I suspect he knows that. His point is that he doesn\u2019t want to be lumped in with people like Dawkins, Hitchens, and ironically Harris (who never really embraced the label either). I\u2019m less concerned about labels and care more that Tyson is out there educating people about science and promoting the values of reason and critical thinking.<\/p>\n<p>Oh, and while I disagree with Hemant Mehta on this, here is evidence that I can be friendly \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/friendly-atheist2.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2901\" title=\"friendly atheist2\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/friendly-atheist2-290x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"290\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/friendly-atheist2-290x300.jpg 290w, http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/friendly-atheist2.jpg 464w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 290px) 100vw, 290px\" \/><\/a>Thanks to Joel for taking the photo at the Reason Rally.<\/p>\n<h6 class=\"zemanta-related-title\" style=\"font-size: 1em;\">Related articles<\/h6>\n<ul class=\"zemanta-article-ul\">\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"http:\/\/whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com\/2012\/04\/26\/neil-degrasse-tyson-atheist-agnostic-or-equivocator\/\" target=\"_blank\">Neil deGrasse Tyson: atheist, agnostic, or equivocator?<\/a> (whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com)<\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=2879\" target=\"_blank\">If Atheists Talked Like Christians<\/a> (dangeroustalk.net)<\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/friendlyatheist\/2012\/04\/25\/when-did-neil-degrasse-tyson-start-using-the-arguments-of-christian-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\">When Did Neil deGrasse Tyson Start Using the Arguments of Christian Apologists?<\/a> (patheos.com)<\/li>\n<li class=\"zemanta-article-ul-li\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.examiner.com\/atheism-in-national\/reason-rally-30k-godless-undeterred-by-rain\" target=\"_blank\">Reason Rally: 30k godless undeterred by rain<\/a> (examiner.com)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"zemanta-pixie\" style=\"margin-top: 10px; height: 15px;\"><a class=\"zemanta-pixie-a\" title=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zemanta.com\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"zemanta-pixie-img\" style=\"float: right;\" src=\"http:\/\/img.zemanta.com\/zemified_e.png?x-id=00bd5293-22e8-4125-8fa8-702316f56772\" alt=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"linkwithin_hook\" id=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=2900\"><\/div><script>\n<!-- \/\/LinkWithinCodeStart\nvar linkwithin_site_id = 317364;\nvar linkwithin_div_class = \"linkwithin_hook\";\n\/\/LinkWithinCodeEnd -->\n<\/script>\n<script src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/widget.js\"><\/script>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/\"><img src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/pixel.png\" alt=\"Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...\" style=\"border: 0\" \/><\/a><!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday Hemant Mehta of the Friendly Atheist took issue with comments made by physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson in relation to atheism. 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