{"id":213,"date":"2009-04-21T04:11:19","date_gmt":"2009-04-21T09:11:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=213"},"modified":"2009-06-26T12:24:47","modified_gmt":"2009-06-26T17:24:47","slug":"the-holy-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=213","title":{"rendered":"The Holy Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>While I often talk about conversations that I have with Christians of the various varieties, I don\u2019t often talk much about other conversations I have. Since it is pretty well known that I am somewhat of an atheist activist, I often come across people who are not Christians who are not well-informed atheists. They may be simply atheists who aren\u2019t really familiar with the arguments, Jews, or Muslims. Often times when in conversations with such people, they will try to discuss religion with me by commenting on how ridiculous Christianity is. However, it is pretty odd to me that these people don\u2019t back up their statement with the obvious ridiculousness of a personified deity or even any of Jesus\u2019s magic tricks. No, the first thing that comes to their minds is the Holy Trinity. \u201cHow can God be three different beings at once? That is ridiculous.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While I agree that Christianity is a very ridiculous religion, I think the Holy Trinity isn\u2019t as ridiculous as other Christian doctrines. On the other hand, it really is a pretty ridiculous concept, just not the most ridiculous. I mean really? God is three separate and distinct forms but at the same time and in the same way each form is fully integrated into the Godhead? If that isn\u2019t an obvious contradiction, I don\u2019t know what is.<\/p>\n<p>In Bill Maher\u2019s film \u201cReligulous,\u201d there is a scene in which Maher talks to the actor who places Jesus at \u201cHoly Land Adventures.\u201d When Maher brought up the Holy Trinity, the Jesus actor compared the Trinity to water being in three forms. But as Maher hinted at, H2O isn\u2019t the same in each form in the same way. Ice isn\u2019t liquid. The analogy is a great for people who don\u2019t think much about it, but with the Trinity, the claim is that God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit at the same time and in the same way. Logically, that just doesn\u2019t hold water so to speak.<\/p>\n<p>Someone once told me that his father was also a son and a brother. This idea of family titles is an interesting one, but it too falls flat because we are not merely talking about titles. The character of Jesus is clearly talked about as a distinct character from that of the God the Father. In at least one instance, Jesus even seems distant from his father and inquires about his father\u2019s divine plan. In another instance, Jesus asks God why God had forsaken him. This implies that Jesus was not aware of his own divine plan (assuming he and the father are one).<\/p>\n<p>Despite the obviously failed logic of the Holy Trinity, most Christians not only still believe in the Trinity but also are happy to defend such an absurd concept. The odd thing is that most Christians who try to defend and\/or explain the Trinity don\u2019t even know that the phrase \u201cHoly Trinity\u201d never appears in the Bible at all. Another fun fact that seems to have been left out of Sunday School is that prior to the First Council of Nicea in the year 325, there was no Holy Trinity. At the council, they had to debate the relationship between God and Jesus. One side of the debate insisted that Jesus was God\u2019s literal son, while the other side insisted that \u201cson\u201d was a metaphor or a figurative son. In the end a compromise was reached to form what is now known as the Holy Trinity. Obviously, one group had the stronger hand at the bargaining table, but the point is that the Trinity was a political compromise and not a holy decree from God himself.<\/p>\n<div class=\"linkwithin_hook\" id=\"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=213\"><\/div><script>\n<!-- \/\/LinkWithinCodeStart\nvar linkwithin_site_id = 317364;\nvar linkwithin_div_class = \"linkwithin_hook\";\n\/\/LinkWithinCodeEnd -->\n<\/script>\n<script src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/widget.js\"><\/script>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/\"><img src=\"http:\/\/www.linkwithin.com\/pixel.png\" alt=\"Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...\" style=\"border: 0\" \/><\/a><!-- AddThis Advanced Settings generic via filter on the_content --><!-- AddThis Share Buttons generic via filter on the_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>While I often talk about conversations that I have with Christians of the various varieties, I don\u2019t often talk much about other conversations I have. 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