{"id":1943,"date":"2010-12-03T10:19:06","date_gmt":"2010-12-03T15:19:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=1943"},"modified":"2010-12-03T10:19:06","modified_gmt":"2010-12-03T15:19:06","slug":"dear-christians-there-is-no-jewish-messiah","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.dangeroustalk.net\/?p=1943","title":{"rendered":"Dear Christians, There Is No Jewish Messiah!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the most common claims that Christians make is that the Old Testament perfectly predicts the rise, fall, and re-rise of Jesus. Christians often ask how it is possible for a book (the Old Testament) to so perfectly predict Jesus unless God wrote it all as part of his divine plan. The answer is simple. It doesn\u2019t!<\/p>\n<p>Let me start off by saying that even though I have had about ten years of Hebrew School in which I have studied the Old Testament in some detail (which is about ten years more than most Christians have had), I am still not really qualified to address this current topic. That is why I will be referring to someone who is more of an expert.<\/p>\n<p>Let me introduce you to Rabbi Skobac. In an eight part YouTube lecture he pretty much destroys the claim that the Old Testament foretold of Jesus in any prophecies. In fact, he even points out that the Old Testament doesn\u2019t give any prophecies relating to a singular messiah at all. It is well worth the 90 minutes (the next video will play automatically).<br \/>\n<object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"430\" height=\"347\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/p\/06647458012261F8?hl=en_US&amp;fs=1\" \/><param name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"430\" height=\"347\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/p\/06647458012261F8?hl=en_US&amp;fs=1\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\"><\/embed><\/object><br \/>\nStill not convinced? Not a problem. To be honest, I don\u2019t agree with the Rabbi on a great many things either. But as far as his knowledge and expertise in the Old Testament goes, I think his is pretty much on the money. But we can investigate this topic on a deeper level.<\/p>\n<p>The fact is that the Old Testament isn\u2019t all that old after all. It isn\u2019t much older than the New Testament. Let me introduce you to historian <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"Karen Armstrong\" rel=\"wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karen_Armstrong\">Karen Armstrong<\/a>. Like Rabbi Skobac, I don\u2019t agree with her on a lot of things either, but in her book <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/dangtalk-20\/detail\/0871139693\" target=\"_blank\">The Bible: A Biography<\/a>, in which she talks about how the Old Testament was put together, she is right on the money.<\/p>\n<p>Both Skobac and Armstrong believe in God and while I disagree with their conclusions, I still think they have a lot to teach Christians. I think they specifically have a lot to teach those Christians who claim that the Old Testament contains prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. 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