Comments on: In Support of Smut for Smut

By: Staks

Staks — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:00:20 +0000

First, the group made it very clear that they were not advocating porn. The group was clear that they were equating the Bible with porn.
Second, I am supportive of porn and I don’t see how it necessarily denigrates or exploits women. I can see an argument that it denigrates and exploits people in general. But even that is a weak argument since everyone involved is aware and consenting of their “exploitative” role it ceases to be exploitative.
Third, the only real reason society is anti-porn is because Christianity is anti-sexuality. We have all been influenced by Christian values rather than real moral values.
Forth, any porn which features children is considered child porn and it is illegal. That is not mainstream porn. It is in fact just an red herring which has nothing to do with this actual topic because children are not of the age in which they can consent to anything.

By: eheffa

eheffa — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:47:42 +0000

I would commend this group for its creativiy but I have some difficulty with the notion that Atheists are somehow supportive of porn. Admittedly, both the holy books and the porn share the denigration and exploitation of women in common, but that’s the problem…

This campaign unfortunately plays into the stereotype that Atheists are amorall anarchists who have no problem disseminating literature that is exploitive to women & children.

By: Staks

Staks — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:18:03 +0000

That’s a great idea vjack, but we would need a lot of people to do it at once otherwise it comes off as weak. We saw it not long ago when Prop 8 passed. That was a strong showing.

By: vjack

vjack — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:17:03 +0000

I’m all for it. I haven’t had time to write about it yet, but I think you are absolutely right to defend it.

Other creative campaigns to consider? I wrote a post or two about picketing churches awhile back. If there is anything that would get more attention than porn for bibles, it would probably be that.

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By: Staks

Staks — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:14:58 +0000

Like I said, I think the pron opens the door for the conversation. I don’t think that is trying to be offensive, but I do see as edgy. Whether Christians get offended or not is a whole other story. But the important thing is that it opens the door for the conversation.

By: littlejohn

littlejohn — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:55:46 +0000

Point taken, but I didn’t mean to suggest porn is immoral. It’s normal and probably healthy as a sexual outlet.
But most Christians don’t see it that way, and I assume they’re the ones we’re trying to influence.
Honey vs. vinegar, and all that.
Of course, if all you’re trying to do is offend them, then by all means give them porn.

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By: littlejohn

littlejohn — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:33:11 +0000

Just to set the record straight, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with porn, as long as it involves consenting adults.
I am merely pointing out that religious people routinely try to make the point that atheists lack a moral compass, and are therefore more likely to indulge in porn. Of course their argument is baseless: Porn is harmless, atheists are no more likely to view porn than theists (we just feel less guilty about it), and so forth.
I just don’t see the advantage of handing them a weapon they will use against us, no matter how bogus.

By: Andrew the Atheist

Andrew the Atheist — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:39:59 +0000

Pure genius!! I finally have use of that old dusty bible!! When I was younger, and reading the bible cover to cover, I remember turning to certain passages for my porn. Do you think they’d take a bible with the song of solomon all stuck together?